Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:47:35 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard <jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.ORG>, Bill Fumerola <billf@chimesnet.com> Subject: Re: ipfw question. Message-ID: <52697.972618455@winston.osd.bsdi.com> In-Reply-To: Message from "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.ORG> of "Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:24:39 PDT." <20001026152439.A7690@dragon.nuxi.com>
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> I disagree. Vaporware (example Son of Sysinstall) has kept us from > improving things until the fabled newstuff arrives. That's actually a bad example since just a brief glance at the cvs commit logs for sysinstall will show that a number of fingers have dived into it over the years and "improved" it (sometimes to the point of unusability! :). I've also sent out numerous appeals to the various mailing lists for someone, anyone, to come up with something better than sysinstall which was somehow less grandiose than my own follow-on designs or, failing that, to significantly revamp sysinstall itself. The fact that nobody has stepped up to the plate has, I feel, nothing to do with vaporware, it has to do with certain problems simply being icky and unpleasant to deal with. If such was not the case, you'd think one of the other *BSDs would have done it if not us. Let's also not forget that Caldera had to PAY Trolltech to do their fancy installer and then Red Hat came along and substantially pinched off of that one, so even the vastly better-funded and staffed Linux projects haven't really managed to crack the nut just on volunteer labor alone. Grrrr. Hot button. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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