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Date:      Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:17:07 +0100 (MET)
From:      J Wunsch <j@uriah.heep.sax.de>
To:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers)
Subject:   Re: Web server locks up... but not quite. (?)
Message-ID:  <199602182317.AAA09217@uriah.heep.sax.de>
In-Reply-To: <199602182041.WAA01110@newzetor.clinet.fi> from "Heikki Suonsivu" at Feb 18, 96 10:41:17 pm

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As Heikki Suonsivu wrote:

>    Hmm, we've also experienced these symptoms at sax.sax.de (small local
>    non-commercial ISP), and i admit that i've basically been suspecting
>    hardware in the first place.  Your reports make me nervous however
>    that it might be software.  The system is plain 2.0.5R.
> 
> If it were software, it would happen with specific set of hardware.  We see
> it on all machines here. 

We don't have a stack of hardware there.  We have to buy our hardware
ourselves. :)

This is one of the infamous 40-MHz-VLB boards (though the VLB is not
actually used), and the logs show sig 10's and sig 11's all over the
place, about twice a weak.  We didn't even notice this for the first
time however, since nobody complained.  I've stumbled across it while
looking up other things in the kernel message logfile.  (Well, i love
FreeBSD's logging of abnormal signals!)

So this explains why i've been thinking of hardware first...

(Watchdog issuing NMI)

> This might not help, we often find things being locked up when they try to
> write the coredump.

Well, if it's only a memory resource allocation problem, coredumping
should still work.

>    Our machine is located in an mostly operator-less machine room at the
>    University, i've already been playing with the idea to build a
>    watchdog card that lowers the IOCHCK signal (and finally gives up 5
>    minutes later and issues a RESET).
> 
> Someone proposed an interrupt-level software watchdog.  I proposed a crash
> button on keyboard (almost always the keyboard driver is still there).

The machine doesn't have a keyboard at all.

-- 
cheers, J"org

joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE
Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)



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