Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:27:45 -0700 From: Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org> To: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Mikhail Teterin <mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com>, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Let's use gcc-4.2, not 4.1 -- OpenMP Message-ID: <4580E0D1.40605@samsco.org> In-Reply-To: <4580DFAB.3080601@FreeBSD.org> References: <20061213192150.CF83D16A417@hub.freebsd.org> <200612131440.04076.mi%2Bmx@aldan.algebra.com> <4580766A.600@samsco.org> <200612131711.50921.mi%2Bmx@aldan.algebra.com> <4580DFAB.3080601@FreeBSD.org>
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Doug Barton wrote: > Mikhail Teterin wrote: >> ?????? 13 ??????? 2006 16:53, Scott Long ???????: >>> And I say that FreeBSD shouldn't be a beta-tester for new, experimental >>> compiler features. >> We don't have to start using OpenMP in the base and no port will be _forced_ >> to use it either. But having a compiler _capable of it_ will be very good. >> >> Unless you deem the entire gcc-4.2 to be "new and experimental" (I think, 4.3 >> is such), your above-quoted argument is not valid. > > Let's start over. I have a core 2 duo box so I'm interested, and I > agree with you that at least 2 cores is going to be the "norm" sooner > than later. So can you tell us what the benefits and risks are of 4.2 > vs. 4.1? I think someone already put forward the idea that if we were > to adopt 4.2 that we'd have a longer support cycle, which sounds like > a good thing to me; but I'm nowhere near an expert. > >>> I also say that words and opinions are cheaper than actions. >> Thank you very much, Scott, for this timely and uniquely insightful reminder. >> This important point is almost never raised on the FreeBSD mailing lists, >> which so often leads participants to think, that actions are cheaper than >> words and opinions. > > I can certainly appreciate your frustration, but the problem we face > is that there is no limit to the number of people who are sure that > they know what the right thing to do is, as long as someone else is > doing the work. As I'm sure you can imagine, that gets tiresome really > fast when one is busy actually _doing_ the work. > > You make a good point in that it's not too late to at least consider > moving to 4.2 instead, so why don't you come up with some more > concrete evidence to back your claim. > > Doug > It should be noted that the final line of my email was a poke at myself as well, since all that I have to provide is an opinion, while others are doing the actual work. Scott
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