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Date:      Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:26:12 -0500
From:      Ender <ender@tog.net>
To:        Daniel O'Connor <doconnor@gsoft.com.au>
Cc:        stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, current <current@freebsd.org>, Jo Rhett <jrhett@svcolo.com>, K?vesd?n G?bor <gabor.kovesdan@t-hosting.hu>, Peter Jeremy <PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Update is the binary update solution [Re: HEADS UP:	Release schedule for 2006]
Message-ID:  <43BD64C4.4090307@tog.net>
In-Reply-To: <200601052112.09446.doconnor@gsoft.com.au>
References:  <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org>	<200512231126.51500.doconnor@gsoft.com.au>	<20060105093220.GJ1358@svcolo.com> <200601052112.09446.doconnor@gsoft.com.au>

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Daniel O'Connor wrote:

>On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:02, Jo Rhett wrote:
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>>On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 11:26:44AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
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>>>How do you expect these two to be handled in a binary upgrade?
>>>I can't see how it's possible..
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>>>
>>Look around.  Every major commercial OS does it just fine.  Most of the
>>open source OSes do it just fine.  Debian had probably the easiest to use
>>system, and they've risen, owned the world and fallen all while FreeBSD has
>>been debating this issue.
>>    
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>
>You appear to be misunderstanding what I said.
>
>I'm not arguing binary upgrades shouldn't be done but I'm suggesting that it 
>isn't NECESSARY to version and package the base install to do it.
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>>>I don't think integrating it with the core OS (whatever that means) will
>>>magically fix this.
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>>>
>>If you knew what it meant, you would understand why it would help.
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>Ah what a great explanation of what is meant.
>There are several people who don't know what is meant here and I haven't seen 
>a decent explanation forthcoming.
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I think what "integrated with the core OS" means from a user standpoint 
is: from a fresh minimum install of freebsd I can type 
"freebsd-update-whatever" and it will update my system.



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