Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 22:24:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault <dufault@hda.com> To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Minutes of the Thursday, April 13th core team meeting in Berkeley. Message-ID: <199504210224.WAA15141@hda.com> In-Reply-To: <12800.798418317@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 20, 95 03:51:57 pm
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Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > > Also, in Jordan's e-mail there was something that implied perhaps > > FreeBSD should consider reducing its standards, since all we do is > > think about releasing quality stuff until it reaches a fever point > > where we push out the garbage (yes, I'm paraphrasing a little), > > "after all, look at Linux". > > > > I say: NO NO A THOUSAND TIMES NO. > > I meant no such implication. I simply stated that our current "high > standards" are essentially MEANINGLESS because we always abandon the > high ground at the last minute with a panic release. Clearly, > releases must happen often. Also clearly, we must have high > standards. Our current model isn't working. I doubt that the "Linux > model" would work for us either, I simply pointed to it to illustrate > another point, which was that the measure of *success* is in picking a > model that's successful and sticking with it. Linux has picked a > model that's successful for them, and they're sticking with it. We've > picked a model that doesn't work (be really fussy then panic) and > we're struggling to make the best of it. This sucks. WE NEED TO DO > THIS DIFFERENTLY, AND WHAT I NEED ARE MORE WELL-THOUGHT-OUT > SUGGESTIONS AND ACTUAL MENTAL ACTIVITY ON THE PART OF THOSE INVOLVED > RATHER THAN SIMPLE, EASY-TO-CAST CRITICISMS! > > Excuse my caps, but I'm getting kinda sick of this. Everybody wants > to criticise our driving but nobody wants to take a turn at the wheel > or start offering genuinely helpful and constructive directions on > where to steer. I don't mean to overtly criticise Peter himself too > much here, he's just one example of the syndrome I'm talking about > here. I don't understand what you're sick of, or what syndrome I'm a bad example of. As far as I knew, 2.1 was imminent. I produced the code I thought I could contribute for 2.1 (in spite of a heavy schedule) in plenty of time for testing for the previously announced 2.1 release (the fixes to the SCSI configuration), and only now do I learn that 2.1 isn't planned until June. I gave you my model: Two releases per year, possibly two bug fix releases per year, a plea not to push stuff out in a panic, and a new request which is to keep the volunteers appraised of what is going on. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267
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