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Date:      Thu, 20 Apr 1995 22:24:06 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Peter Dufault <dufault@hda.com>
To:        jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Minutes of the Thursday, April 13th core team meeting in Berkeley.
Message-ID:  <199504210224.WAA15141@hda.com>
In-Reply-To: <12800.798418317@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 20, 95 03:51:57 pm

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Jordan K. Hubbard writes:
> 
> > Also, in Jordan's e-mail there was something that implied perhaps
> > FreeBSD should consider reducing its standards, since all we do is
> > think about releasing quality stuff until it reaches a fever point
> > where we push out the garbage (yes, I'm paraphrasing a little),
> > "after all, look at Linux".
> > 
> > I say: NO NO A THOUSAND TIMES NO.
> 
> I meant no such implication.  I simply stated that our current "high
> standards" are essentially MEANINGLESS because we always abandon the
> high ground at the last minute with a panic release.  Clearly,
> releases must happen often.  Also clearly, we must have high
> standards.  Our current model isn't working.  I doubt that the "Linux
> model" would work for us either, I simply pointed to it to illustrate
> another point, which was that the measure of *success* is in picking a
> model that's successful and sticking with it.  Linux has picked a
> model that's successful for them, and they're sticking with it.  We've
> picked a model that doesn't work (be really fussy then panic) and
> we're struggling to make the best of it.  This sucks.  WE NEED TO DO
> THIS DIFFERENTLY, AND WHAT I NEED ARE MORE WELL-THOUGHT-OUT
> SUGGESTIONS AND ACTUAL MENTAL ACTIVITY ON THE PART OF THOSE INVOLVED
> RATHER THAN SIMPLE, EASY-TO-CAST CRITICISMS!
> 
> Excuse my caps, but I'm getting kinda sick of this.  Everybody wants
> to criticise our driving but nobody wants to take a turn at the wheel
> or start offering genuinely helpful and constructive directions on
> where to steer.  I don't mean to overtly criticise Peter himself too
> much here, he's just one example of the syndrome I'm talking about
> here.

I don't understand what you're sick of, or what syndrome I'm a bad
example of.

As far as I knew, 2.1 was imminent.  I produced the code I thought
I could contribute for 2.1 (in spite of a heavy schedule) in plenty
of time for testing for the previously announced 2.1 release (the
fixes to the SCSI configuration), and only now do I learn that 2.1
isn't planned until June.

I gave you my model: Two releases per year, possibly two bug fix
releases per year, a plea not to push stuff out in a panic, and a new
request which is to keep the volunteers appraised of what is going on.

Peter

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Peter Dufault               Real Time Machine Control and Simulation
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dufault@hda.com             Fax:   508 433 5267



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