Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:39:24 -0400 From: Brian T.Schellenberger <bts@babbleon.org> To: bjones@polestar.org, Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net> Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: strange ATA behavior with -STABLE Message-ID: <20020711023925.1F72EBA05@i8k.babbleon.org> In-Reply-To: <jUsT.aNoTheR.mEsSaGe.iD.102632415726577@www.polestar.org> References: <jUsT.aNoTheR.mEsSaGe.iD.102632415726577@www.polestar.org>
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On Wednesday 10 July 2002 01:50 pm, Bill Jones wrote:
| mike@sentex.net wrote:
| >>If we're so willing
| >>to make FreeBSD work on laptops, then we should at least give a
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| concerned
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| >>nod to the most common disk system in average installation.
| >
| >Most common what ? Legacy system ? Most common out there today
|
| ? Most
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| >common platform someone installs FreeBSD on for the first time
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| ? The ata
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| >drivers are most certainly broken for some people. Prior to big
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| changes
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| >Soren made, the ata drivers were most certainly broken for some
| >people. Remember when the big round of commits went in last time
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| (wd to
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| >ad), it broke support for certain old CMD based controllers.
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| The obvious answer to me is "Most common platform someone installs
| FreeBSD on for the first time."
But the new drivers probably support more first-time installs than the old
one does. I know that it corrected multiple problems for me. I *am* running
on a laptop, though. OTOH, that's sure getting to be more common rather than
less over time.
The *problem* is that it also broke some old hardware that previously worked.
If you agree that the most important is what will work for most *new*
installs, I believe that you are probably arguing the wrong side of the
issue, or at the very least it's not clear what the right side of the issue
would be.
If you want to argue that the commit was a bad idea, then you'd have a much
stronger case by arguing that FreeBSD shouldn't break what previously worked
so that people aren't afraid to upgrade.
| All I am simply trying to say is that version 4.6.1 will be minted
| to CD and sold through the various outlets that market it. It would
| behoove the FreeBSD community greatly if this version of FreeBSD
| works out of the box and without need to immediately CVSup on a majority
| of systems out there. This means it should install and run without
| these errors on both a 128meg system with 80+ gig IDE hard drives
| (pretty common at most retailers) and on an older system with 32meg
| and 6gig IDE hard drives (a common "older computer").
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| If FreeBSD errors during installation or in the first few days of
| operation for a new user, it is likely that person will select another
| OS rather than searching the mailing list and website for fixes.
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| Working "out of the box" is good for future growth of FreeBSD. Failing
| "out of the box" will have a negative impact. Personally, I'd prefer
| growth.
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