Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:38:39 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru> To: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org, Jordan Hubbard <jkh@ixsystems.com> Subject: Re: [RFC] Set the default locale to en_US.UTF-8 Message-ID: <20150125193839.GU3698@zxy.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <20150125192143.GR81001@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> References: <20150124143357.GI81001@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <20150125143243.GB76051@zxy.spb.ru> <7B1D8345-248B-4C44-9568-079BA29614C2@ixsystems.com> <20150125155000.GD76051@zxy.spb.ru> <20150125185951.GC23253@server.rulingia.com> <20150125191733.GS3698@zxy.spb.ru> <20150125192143.GR81001@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net>
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On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 08:21:43PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 10:17:33PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 05:59:51AM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > > > > On 2015-Jan-25 18:50:00 +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru> wrote: > > > >On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 06:58:13AM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > >> > On Jan 25, 2015, at 6:32 AM, Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > NO! Please, NOT! > > > >> > Not all bytestring allowed in UTF-8, as result -- unpedicable failed > > > >> > execution of sed, grep, vi, ed and etc. > > > > > > I switched to en_AU.UTF-8 about 5 years ago with relatively little pain > > > (though I had very little non-ASCII text). > > > > > > The downside of UTF-8 in that random non-ASCII bytestrings are unlikely to > > > be valid UTF-8 and will therefore get rejected. About the only time I get > > > bitten by this is that my random password generator: > > > dd if=/dev/random bs=32 count=1 | tr -cd '!-~' > > > will die with an "tr: Illegal byte sequence" and needs a "LC_ALL=C" to > > > placate it. > > > > Yes, I now remeber -- other case will be tr. > > > > > >I am years use ru_RU.KOI8-R. Now I try use ru_RU.UTF8 and got some > > > >issuse (on 10-STABLE). 9.x and OS may have dufferent version of > > > >software and don't touch this. > > > > > > Once you've started using any 8-bit locale, switching to UTF-8 (or any > > > other 8-bit locale) will be a PITA because you need to re-encode everything. > > > And, since it's very difficult to run with multiple locales, you need to > > > do a complete sweep when you change locales. If you are running into > > > specific issues with incorrect handling of ru_RU.UTF8, that is a bug and > > > you need to report it. > > > > No, I don't have incorrect handling of ru_RU.UTF8 (for correct UTF8 > > files), I have trouble with processing non-utf files (like example > > with tr) > > That is why on my proposal also set LC_COLLATE=C which fixed the tr case for > example How customer can prdeict this? Before this all work fine. After locale change somethink can be broken. I am don't predict 'tr' failure. What broken next? What broken in third-party? On already installed system, of couse. Running in prodution many years.
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