Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 15:19:46 -0500 From: Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> Cc: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: How to explore Android device files under FreeBSD ? Message-ID: <426C3390-6DA4-4B9D-98B7-AD1831027320@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20190714182245.GA2405@c720-r342378> References: <AM0PR03MB45946F28AAF9A2F51F97A589F6CD0@AM0PR03MB4594.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com> <13b9dc8e-f489-afaf-4b2c-e08277e2ecbd@gmail.com> <20190714194416.6948d301.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190714182245.GA2405@c720-r342378>
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> On Jul 14, 2019, at 1:22 PM, Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> wrote: >=20 > El d=C3=ADa domingo, julio 14, 2019 a las 07:44:16p. m. +0200, = Polytropon escribi=C3=B3: >=20 >> Why doesn't it seem to occur to people that this sounds entirely = wrong? >> It's not that it is impossible, or doesn't work - but shouldn't it be >> much easier to copy _your_ photos from _your_ phone without requiring >> a 3rd party app, registering for a crappy cloud service, or mess with >> "developer settings"? >>=20 >> In my opinion, it should be as easy as attaching the USB cable and >> then immediately having access to a direct access mass storage, as >> per the standard. Mount it, copy your files, unmount it, done. No >> need for apps and cloud nonsense. Of course, using an MTP interface >> is also easy, and with GUI tools like gtkam, access is super easy. >> It should work that way by default, with cable. >>=20 >> Why do manufacturers think it's okay to make things needlessly >> complicated? I mean... I even got this working with an iPad, so >> why should an Android-based phone, where Android is usually = considered >> "some kind of Linux", force you to do annoying things? I think with >> the tools available on FreeBSD, it should be possible to get images >> copied from an Android phone without much messing with that phone. >=20 > I slightly disagree. A Linux based mobile device should behave like > this. As a matter of fact, Android by no means should be considered =E2=80=9CLin= ux based=E2=80=9D. (Maemo was one). Even though google used Linux = kernel, but to that they have added big chunk of proprietary code, and = whoever says what that code does will go to prison. Even worse, android = system based devices are designed be more and more resilient to = attempts to reflash onto them with =E2=80=9Cde-googled=E2=80=9D android = clones. I=E2=80=99ve been there recently, and after some time I ended up = removing LineageOS and going back to whatever device vendor shipped = device with. And I do not accept the label of "moron who wasn=E2=80=99t = able to flash another system" (especially after I recovered a couple of = times from HARD bricked state). <rant> Google invested a ton of [? Uncounted and unaccounted for taxpayer=E2=80=99= s money ?] into collection of information. It is even deeper task than = brainwashing not only of zombies walking looking into their smart = devices, but everybody. Windows insists on using their browser, and = feeds =E2=80=9Cnews=E2=80=9D selected by them, Mozilla with Firerefox = feeds everyone through their =E2=80=9Cpocket=E2=80=9D, and so on. Yes, = you can tune away the garbage that is on by default, but those of you = who do do not matter as you are resilient to brainwashing anyway. It is = the majority who don=E2=80=99t care that matter, as they will be the = ones who praise =E2=80=9CDemocracy=E2=80=9D which (opposed to = Constitutional Republic) is a dictatorship (of majority over minority). = And this majority will define though democracy what the future will be. = So, brainwashing is tremendously important task. Why do you think the = government is using my taxpayers money for programs to get everyone (who = can not afford to buy one) smart phones. Collection of information is yet even more important. And google = definitely will do everything to guard the return they expect to have on = their investment. Think if independence of American states from Britain = would be successfully achieved if google existed (and was available for = Britain) back then. And yes, everyone who even asks the above questions, not even suggests = answers is usually labeled as =E2=80=9Cconspiracy theorist=E2=80=9D. So, = use your brain while you are not labelling yourself that for thinking = about these matters ;-) </rant> Valeri=20 > It should present itself via SSH and allow access to your photos > with scp or rsync+ssh, and if you need some GUI, use something of KDE = or > Gnome which works on top of SSH to present the dirs and files in a > Norton Commander style. My Ubuntu mobile device works like this (and I > do use rsync and ssh/scp all days). The Android based mobiles *could* > behave the same way, but Google does not want this and want that the > user uses something else, for example some cloud. The upcoming Puri.sm > L5 will also be a normal Linux system. I'm awaiting mine in Q3 of this > year. >=20 > matthias >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ = +49-176-38902045 > Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub > May, 9: =D0=A1=D0=BF=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=CC=81=D0=B1=D0=BE = =D0=BE=D1=81=D0=B2=D0=BE=D0=B1=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B8! = Thank you very much, Russian liberators! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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