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Date:      Sun, 14 Jul 2019 15:19:46 -0500
From:      Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu>
To:        Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de>
Cc:        Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: How to explore Android device files under FreeBSD ?
Message-ID:  <426C3390-6DA4-4B9D-98B7-AD1831027320@kicp.uchicago.edu>
In-Reply-To: <20190714182245.GA2405@c720-r342378>
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> On Jul 14, 2019, at 1:22 PM, Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> wrote:
>=20
> El d=C3=ADa domingo, julio 14, 2019 a las 07:44:16p. m. +0200, =
Polytropon escribi=C3=B3:
>=20
>> Why doesn't it seem to occur to people that this sounds entirely =
wrong?
>> It's not that it is impossible, or doesn't work - but shouldn't it be
>> much easier to copy _your_ photos from _your_ phone without requiring
>> a 3rd party app, registering for a crappy cloud service, or mess with
>> "developer settings"?
>>=20
>> In my opinion, it should be as easy as attaching the USB cable and
>> then immediately having access to a direct access mass storage, as
>> per the standard. Mount it, copy your files, unmount it, done. No
>> need for apps and cloud nonsense. Of course, using an MTP interface
>> is also easy, and with GUI tools like gtkam, access is super easy.
>> It should work that way by default, with cable.
>>=20
>> Why do manufacturers think it's okay to make things needlessly
>> complicated? I mean... I even got this working with an iPad, so
>> why should an Android-based phone, where Android is usually =
considered
>> "some kind of Linux", force you to do annoying things? I think with
>> the tools available on FreeBSD, it should be possible to get images
>> copied from an Android phone without much messing with that phone.
>=20
> I slightly disagree. A Linux based mobile device should behave like
> this.

As a matter of fact, Android by no means should be considered =E2=80=9CLin=
ux based=E2=80=9D. (Maemo was one). Even though google used Linux =
kernel, but to that they have added big chunk of proprietary code, and =
whoever says what that code does will go to prison. Even worse, android =
system based devices are designed be  more and more resilient to =
attempts to reflash onto them with  =E2=80=9Cde-googled=E2=80=9D android =
clones. I=E2=80=99ve been there recently, and after some time I ended up =
removing LineageOS and going back to whatever device vendor shipped =
device with. And I do not accept the label of "moron who wasn=E2=80=99t =
able to flash another system" (especially after I recovered a couple of =
times from HARD bricked state).

<rant>
Google invested a ton of [? Uncounted and unaccounted for taxpayer=E2=80=99=
s money ?] into collection of information. It is even deeper task than =
brainwashing not only of zombies walking looking into their smart =
devices, but everybody. Windows insists on using their browser, and =
feeds =E2=80=9Cnews=E2=80=9D selected by them, Mozilla with Firerefox =
feeds everyone through their =E2=80=9Cpocket=E2=80=9D, and so on. Yes, =
you can tune away the garbage that is on by default, but those of you =
who do do not matter as you are resilient to brainwashing anyway. It is =
the majority who don=E2=80=99t care that matter, as they will be the =
ones who praise =E2=80=9CDemocracy=E2=80=9D which (opposed to =
Constitutional Republic) is a dictatorship (of majority over minority). =
And this majority will define though democracy what the future will be. =
So, brainwashing is tremendously important task. Why do you think the =
government is using my taxpayers money for programs to get everyone (who =
can not afford to buy one) smart phones.

Collection of information is yet even more important. And google =
definitely will do everything to guard the return they expect to have on =
their investment. Think if independence of American states from Britain =
would be successfully achieved if google existed (and was available for =
Britain) back then.

And yes, everyone who even asks the above questions, not even suggests =
answers is usually labeled as =E2=80=9Cconspiracy theorist=E2=80=9D. So, =
use your brain while you are not labelling yourself that for thinking =
about these matters ;-)
</rant>

Valeri=20

> It should present itself via SSH and allow access to your photos
> with scp or rsync+ssh, and if you need some GUI, use something of KDE =
or
> Gnome which works on top of SSH to present the dirs and files in a
> Norton Commander style. My Ubuntu mobile device works like this (and I
> do use rsync and ssh/scp all days). The Android based mobiles *could*
> behave the same way, but Google does not want this and want that the
> user uses something else, for example some cloud. The upcoming Puri.sm
> L5 will also be a normal Linux system. I'm awaiting mine in Q3 of this
> year.
>=20
> 	matthias
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ =
+49-176-38902045
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Thank you very much, Russian liberators!
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Valeri Galtsev
Sr System Administrator
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
Phone: 773-702-4247
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