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Date:      Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:13:34 -0500 (CDT)
From:      Joe Greco <jgreco@ns.sol.net>
To:        javier@nyi.net (Javier Frias)
Cc:        isp@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: flat network
Message-ID:  <200004090213.VAA95617@aurora.sol.net>
In-Reply-To: <38ECED38.421C71A7@nyi.net> from Javier Frias at "Apr 6, 2000  4: 2: 0 pm"

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> i used to think like that.... we used to use cabletron switches
> and one of their 8000 routers, just a test. OH MY GOD
> those things never worked. we even had two cabletron engineers 
> here for 9 days. and even they couldn't get it to work right.
> 
> we went back to cisco like crack whores after their pimp.
> 
> so yes, cisco i snot perfect, am i hope a good contender comes
> out , but so far, their products have worked as advertise,
> and their support is next to none.
> 
> true they are a bit overpriced, but with good reseller channels, you'll
> be amazed.
> i have gotten equipment for less than 1/3 as advertised.

That's not too unusual.  They've got to sell cheap to keep up with the
competition.

My current favorite switch (note: switch, not switch/router) happens to be
the Foundry FastIron, nice sexy switch, but a bit pricey.  Seems to do vlans
correctly, which is useful in the event that you're feeding over a gigabit
fiber or something :-)

> > If you have one router and one machine on a network, with OSPF you have
> > exactly two ARP entries - and no need for the router to ARP for each virtual
> > server.  If you would like a practical demonstration of why this is good,
> > do the same test as above.  The behaviour is O(1).
> 
> very true. 
> as a side note, i think he meant 200 actual servers, not 200 vservers.

Don't know.  But I know I'd prefer to have 200 actual servers not each
advertising 50 additional addresses (~= 10,000 ARP entries possible).  The
200 ARP entries plus 10,000 routing table entries would be manageable for
the worst-case OSPF implementation.  The 10,000 ARP entries would overflow
lots of crappier switch equipment.
-- 
... Joe

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