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Date:      Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:56:56 +0100
From:      Michael Nottebrock <michaelnottebrock@gmx.net>
To:        Jens Rehsack <rehsack@liwing.de>
Cc:        freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: No xvideo support for ATI Rage Pro?
Message-ID:  <200303202056.59572.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net>
In-Reply-To: <3E7A070F.8030405@liwing.de>
References:  <3E797D1F.8070807@ant.uni-bremen.de> <200303201423.27103.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> <3E7A070F.8030405@liwing.de>

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On Thursday 20 March 2003 19:23, Jens Rehsack wrote:
> Michael Nottebrock wrote:
> > On Thursday 20 March 2003 13:47, Jens Rehsack wrote:
> >>Kris Kennaway wrote:
> >>>Isn't the Rago Pro a different card than the Rage 128 Pro?
> >>
> >>Sometimes, sometimes not ...
> >
> > Definitely different, and not just sometimes. :) The RagePro chipset is
> > much older than the Rage 128 Pro.
>
> Sorry, the site at ati.com is gone where the several chips are
> described, but in past sometimes I had to identify the cards by chip and
> a number on it. There are some Rage PRO and Rage 128 Pro which were the
> same and there were differences between several Rage PRO's and Rage 128
> PRO's and Rage 3D PRO's.

ATi's chip naming conventions are confusing. For example, the non-marketing 
name for the chipsets on several 'Rage 128' and 'Rage 128 Pro' products is 
"3D Rage Pro 128" (duh), and there are over 40(!) different revisions of the 
3D Rage Pro 128. Most of them have some two-letter suffix (3D Rage Pro 128 
PA, 3D Rage Pro 128 PP, 3D Rage Pro 128 SG, 3D Rage Pro 128 RL, etc).

So, to clarify, when I said "Rage Pro", I was referring to all non-3D Rage Pro 
128-but-still-fifth-generation-except-mobile-chipsets, i.e. oldish chips like 
the RageIIc, 3D Rage Pro PCI/AGP and 3D Rage Pro Turbo, which have been used 
in products like the "3D Charger" and the "XPERT@WORK"/"XPERT@PLAY" cards, or 
the old cores in new housings like the RageXL chip used on the "XPERT XL" 
cards or the OEM chip in the Dell Poweredge 6300 (have I clarified anything 
now? I'm not sure...) which require extra driver work to access the 
hardware-scaler and overlay facilities.

So I guess, it's really kinda hard for anybody who's not been juggling with 
ATi chips for the last few years to keep track. I'm not sure I managed 
either... :)

-- 
Regards,
	Michael Nottebrock
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