Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:00:20 +0100 From: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> To: Jordan Hubbard <jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Cc: Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org>, Warner Losh <imp@village.org>, "David E. O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/common boot.c module.c src/sys/boot/forth loader.conf src/sys/conf Makefile.alpha Makefile.i386 Makefile.pc98 kmod.mk src/share/mk bsd.own.mk Message-ID: <20000907180019.A3550@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> In-Reply-To: <33883.968343705@winston.osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 09:21:45AM -0700 References: <nik@FreeBSD.org> <33883.968343705@winston.osd.bsdi.com>
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On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 09:21:45AM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> > this make it difficult for people to contribute to the initial work, it
> > also makes it difficult for people to carry on the work. For example,
> > the libh stuff, and the work that's being done in IA-64.
>
> Which are both excellent examples of how perception has gotten things
> entirely wrong. The libh work has its own mailing list and open CVS
> repository which anyone can subscribe to,
Where was this announced? Searching for "libh" on our search engine turned
up references to it on the recent discussion on -arch where sysinstall came
up again. Google turned up a post to a Debian mailing list (!) that contained
details about the CVS tree, and a few other links, from which I gather we
have a freebsd-libh mailing list.
This list isn't mentioned on the site search page, Deja hasn't seen any
announcements to it posted to the .announce group, and I've forgotten the
last time I ever received anything from freebsd-announce. It's not on the
website newsflash page, and I can't find it in the Really Quick Newsletter
either.
There's no mention of it on the projects page.
I'll try to rectify this tonight (time permitting), but that's not really
the point.
> it being more the case that people are simply too apathetic to get involved.
They can't get involved if they don't know about it.
> The IA-64 port is also essentially DEAD right now because the only person
> doing any work on it at all is David O'Brien and he's hit a wall of molasses
> on the toolchain issues. There's no closed doors in either case,
> simply very little (or nothing) going on to report.
I did a similar search for "ia64" on the web site. This turns up messages
such as
http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=154269+157044+/usr/local/www/db/text/2000/freebsd-arch/20000521.freebsd-arch
and
http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=157044+158859+/usr/local/www/db/text/2000/freebsd-arch/20000521.freebsd-arch
No offense intended to either Mike or Paul, but neither of those messages
reads as a "We're looking for volunteers, feel free to help out". Again,
there's no information about an IA64 port in the projects page on the web
site.
Perhaps I'm not looking in the right places -- if so, please point me to
the right places, and I'll make sure these are linked to from the web site
and the rest of the documentation.
N
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