Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 00:08:14 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" <listsub@401.cx> To: Juli Mallett <jmallett@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: "Daniel O'Connor" <doconnor@gsoft.com.au>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object Message-ID: <3E41995E.6030603@401.cx> References: <20030205021134.GO12525@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20030204201252.03ccb2e0@localhost> <1044415826.2362.2.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> <3E40D2B6.2010006@401.cx> <20030205155622.A99519@FreeBSD.org>
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Juli Mallett wrote: > * De: Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg <listsub@401.cx> [ Data: 2003-02-05 ] >>[snipped] > > > So write some documentation, run an advocacy site, do something which > is directly giving back to the community, and don't do it thinking that > you have anything coming. You don't, I don't, period. I may never have actually contributed anything to the official project, but I like to think that I have done something. I help out on mailinglist as soon as I can spare the time. One of my addresses is rocky@bsdvault.net, and even if I cant say that I run the site I have been supporting and helping it from the beginning. I frequently get calls from local users that I've never meet that ask for help with BSD related issues, since Im known to be a fanatic freebsd advocater. I always help, and I have never asked for anything in return. I have never demanded any say in internal issues of the project, and never questioned any decisions made by developers or core, even if I might not have liked them. I see core as smarter, more experienced and more engaged in the project then I will ever be. Nothing could be further from my mind then questioning them. The only thing I argued against in my first mail was the "if you dont code, you aint worth shit" attitude I experienced in many posts (and Im still not saying it was core members or even developers, Im still talking about the entire community). Im not saying a person like me should have any say whatsoever in important decision, merely a chance to express ones opinion and maybe a "thank you". > However since I happen to actively work ON FreeBSD and INSIDE the project, > I get to say how internal issues are handled. > > I can't help but think most of the users in the world would vote for jkh > for some lame-ass popularity reason and go around like "I HELPED JORDAN > K. HUBBARD CEO OF FREEBSD TO WIN THE CORE TEAM BACK FOR DILLON" or such. I dont know jkh and I dont know dillon, other then by reputation. Even if asked, I would refuse to vote either way, simple because I am not involved and I do not know enough to make a statement or support any side. > You have to get into the system, if you want the sort of influence people > are talking about. Submit bug reports. Learn how to fix simple things. > Or just fix documentation. It's appreciated. I dont want any influence at all, I just asked for a little respect. > But don't turn into [name omitted] and run around doing things for the > @FreeBSD.org address. You gotta actually want to help, to be allowed > to do things on your own. Or to help. I want to help, and I will continue to help. And I will surely do it on my own. I have enough email addresses, I do not need another one. > If you're just fucking around for fame and glory then who gives a shit > about you anyway? I've never asked for neither, I simply tried to point out that a user can be worth listening to even if he doesnt submit code. A simple "thank you, we will consider your opinions" go a long way to make people feel part of the project, even if they dont have commit bits. I do not want to make the decisions, I just want the people that do make the decisions to atleast listen to all users. In the end, they (the decision people, not the users) still should have the power to decide which way to go. Thats the only way it could be. -- R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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