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Date:      Sun, 04 Aug 2002 21:18:10 -0700
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
To:        Zak Johnson <zakj@nox.cx>
Cc:        freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: OpenSSL vs. -lmd
Message-ID:  <3D4DFC82.74E32063@mindspring.com>
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Zak Johnson wrote:
> Fair enough.  I was wondering why some developer or group of developers
> have not yet undertaken to do it.

No one will commit the code if it's against -stable, and no one
will write the code if it's against -current?  ;^).

Seriously, I thought I had made this clear: it has a huge impact,
and people are incredibly skittish about changes in the areas
that would have to be touched.  It would also have to arrive
fully grown, from Zeus' head, since you would have to change not
only the build process, but the install process, too, at the same
time, for it to work.

That's a heck of an investment of work without pre-buy-in.  If
someone went to that much effort, and it *wasn't* committed, you
are pretty much guaranteed a fork.  This is exactly where FreeBSD
came from in the first place, relative to 386BSD.  So not only is
it a lot of work, it's inherently dangerous.


> I am interested enough to devote some time to it myself.  I imagine,
> however, that it would go a bit faster with someone more familiar
> with the current packaging system than I am to take the lead.  Is
> anyone else following this discussion and interested in actually
> contributing to such an effort?

The current packaging system is not up to the task; that's one
of the problems.  Read Jordan's message again.

-- Terry

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