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Date:      Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:11:08 +1100 (EST)
From:      Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
To:        Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@starjuice.net>
Cc:        Brian Somers <brian@freebsd-services.com>, Akinori MUSHA <knu@FreeBSD.org>, <cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org>, <cvs-all@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/share/man/man1 builtin.1 src/bin/sh Makefile builtins.def sh.1 src/usr.bin/printf printf.1 
Message-ID:  <20011122015842.T9998-100000@delplex.bde.org>
In-Reply-To: <31642.1006340930@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za>

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On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Sheldon Hearn wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:58:12 GMT, Brian Somers wrote:
>
> > I would have thought it useful to leave both test & printf as
> > builtins... it's only a few k of space after all.

I would have thought that it is so obviously wrong to remove printf
as a builtin that no one would actually do it.

> *shrug*  I don't care about the bloat.  I just figured some rancid
> floppy jockey would pipe up. :-)

The bloat in /bin/sh has very little to do with having printf in it.
It has grown from 90K text in FreeBSD-1 to 590K text today.  It is
now 50% larger than the 3.5-year old bash-1 that I normally use.
Most of the bloat is in libraries, mostly for getpwnam() (a null
program statically linked to getpwnam() has size 300K text).
getpwnam() is used solely for expansion of "~".  This feature was
left out of FreeBSD-1 to save 50K or so (getpwnam() was much less
bloated in FreeBSD-1).

Bruce


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