Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:21:53 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org> Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <arch@freebsd.org>, Dimitry Andric <dim@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: deorbiting /usr/lib/libstand.a, moving to sysboot Message-ID: <CANCZdfp3o7ymPY=NxSa2Cs4-wM0PvLq7=2aW8ud8S0EhC3%2B-4g@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1507565759.77958.7.camel@freebsd.org> References: <CANCZdfrvD04cL3A1J3nKZ2uFNNkOrcVnMvobdoyXkRGx8VK8Vg@mail.gmail.com> <23C4A573-05A7-4D76-9179-19169ECAB570@FreeBSD.org> <1507565085.77958.3.camel@freebsd.org> <CANCZdfqO_ou2FSAqjEAcha1hn-np3Gixz3tNcYQ26nhgNLeJrw@mail.gmail.com> <1507565759.77958.7.camel@freebsd.org>
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On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Mon, 2017-10-09 at 10:09 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2017-10-09 at 17:57 +0200, Dimitry Andric wrote: > > > > > > > > On 9 Oct 2017, at 07:45, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to deorbit /usr/lib/stand.a and /usr/include/stand.h. > These > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really parts of the boot loader with an unstable API and shouldn't > be > > > > > installed into the system. It's really a private library to the > boot > > > loader. > > > > > > > > Though I completely agree with this, I am still interested in the > > > > historical reasons for separating out this library for general > userland > > > > consumption. Were there any other parts of world that happened to > use > > > > libstand? > > > > > > > > -Dimitry > > > > > > > There are out-of-tree users of libstand. Perhaps not many, but a > > > couple times after doing something to libstand I've received emails > > > from people that thanked me for the enhancement and mentioned some non- > > > loader(8) use of the lib in passing. (Unfortunately, I can't find any > > > of those mails now, they were from 2-3 years ago.) > > > > > They can email me and I'll help them convert over... :) > > > > Warner > > Actually, I got distracted, then came back and hit Send too soon. I > meant to ask "Will the library still be accessible to out of tree > users?", so that adjusting to the change will amount to fixing some > build breakage to adjust to a new location? > The proposal is to take it 100% internal and officially not support its use outside the loader. It's open source, so if you really want to use it, you can with some effort. If there's one or two people, they can adjust. If there's lots, then I can revisit the proposal. It would help to know who they were and what, exactly, they used it for. Warner
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