Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 23:39:50 +0100 From: Andreas Tobler <andreast@FreeBSD.org> To: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>, Aleksandr Rybalko <ray@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Aleksandr Rybalko <ray@ddteam.net>, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, Andreas Tobler <andreast@FreeBSD.org>, svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, Tijl Coosemans <tijl@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r259016 - in head/sys: conf dev/drm2 dev/drm2/i915 dev/drm2/radeon dev/fb dev/vt kern modules/drm2/i915kms modules/drm2/radeonkms sparc64/sparc64 sys teken Message-ID: <52B22436.2040401@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20131218002415.GQ99753@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> References: <201312052238.rB5McsVN020719@svn.freebsd.org> <52A3A8DE.9090907@FreeBSD.org> <2a683b40-1465-44f9-a9aa-d079f660529d@email.android.com> <52A4E865.6080602@FreeBSD.org> <20131210153144.c46b74fa28253f3456aa2821@ddteam.net> <20131210144307.20d32075@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> <52A79A82.7050801@FreeBSD.org> <20131218022156.ed5c6a17.ray@freebsd.org> <20131218002415.GQ99753@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net>
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On 18.12.13 01:24, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 02:21:56AM +0200, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: >> On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 23:49:38 +0100 >> Andreas Tobler <andreast@FreeBSD.org> wrote: >> >>> On 10.12.13 14:43, Tijl Coosemans wrote: >>>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:31:44 +0200 Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: >>>>> That keyboards have no Shift key for that? :) >>>>> I will be glad to apply your changes, but I have to know how it >>>>> should be controlled. >>>>> >>>>> RU and UA PC keyboards have same 3 symbols '2', '"', '@' >>>>> To get '2' i have to press only '2' >>>>> To get '@' I have to press Shift+'2' >>>>> To get '"' I have to switch to UA or RU and press Shift+'2' >>>>> >>>>> Ahh, or use some called Third-Level (IIRC) in Xorg terms. Temporary >>>>> lang switch. Which commonly mapped to one of Alt. Right? >>>>> So R-Alt+Shift+'2'? >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr >>> >>> Thanks Tijl! >>> >>> To get the @ I have to press AltGr + '2'. >>> There are combinations where I have to press AltGr+Shift. e.g to get >>> the 'broken bar, ¦', AltGr+Shift+'7'. >>> >>> Andreas >>> >> >> Hello Andreas and Tijl! >> >> Since I think not a whole world have AltGr key (read as "not most >> keyboards on the Earth") :) >> Think it is OK to use R.Alt as an Alt by default, and enable AltGr with >> sysctl kern.vt.enable_altgr. >> > I tend to disagree with you, lots of keyboards mapping are concerned here. Hi Aleksandr, It is at least a step forward. But I do not like it. Don't get me wrong, I think we have to be very careful when it comes to keyboard mapping. A status quo should be kept, the one from syscons. Looking back the past 20 years of Linux and FreeBSD experience I always had to touch the keyboards section to make it fit my needs. A nasty hurdle, in the beginning it was ok, but after the sixth time adjusting the native language keyboard it gets boring. And I guess it is not only me. In the meantime I would not need a swiss keyboard anymore, I more or less know the native mapping out of my mind :) I do not yet understand the fine keyboard details from syscons but I think we have to keep and adapt them to vt. My two Rp. Thanks for your time! Andreas
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