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Date:      Wed, 8 Apr 2020 17:12:31 -0700 (PDT)
From:      "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
To:        Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@freebsd.org>
Cc:        "Rodney W. Grimes" <rgrimes@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, svn-src-head <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r359685 - in head: . etc lib/libc/gen share/mk share/termcap usr.bin/login usr.bin/vgrind usr.sbin/services_mkdb
Message-ID:  <202004090012.0390CV5H002903@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
In-Reply-To: <CAH7qZfvGx5ieBDH9O64FG82dOZs9y-M2JFtJ0WbxmJ83Kih1MA@mail.gmail.com>

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> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:37 AM Rodney W. Grimes <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > > Author: sobomax
> > > Date: Tue Apr  7 02:46:22 2020
> > > New Revision: 359685
> > > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/359685
> > >
> > > Log:
> > >   Normalize deployment tools usage and definitions by putting into one
> > place
> > >   instead of sprinkling them out over many disjoint files. This is a
> > follow-up
> > >   to achieve the same goal in an incomplete rev.348521.
> >
> > I have concerns that this factoring out of 5 values that have not changed
> > in 25 years is a pessimization, it is one more file that make has to
> > open on each invocation.
> >
> 
> Well, luckily enough the cost of opening a file has been exponentially
> declining over those 25 years, so we are probably many-orders of magnitude
> faster than  we used to be back in 1995. Or so I've heard. :)

I believe we are pretty much just on par and no more than 1
order of magnitude on time completion of make world.

> 
> Having those variables defined in a centralized manner allows us here for
> example to convert the result of what would be
> installworld/installkernel/distribution action into a self-extracting
> archive (optionally signed) with automatically generated script, which does
> the action in question. As such, we can now build in a completely sandboxed
> environment with 0 privileges (potentially even on something completely
> alien like GNU/Linux) and then deploy it to as many systems as we need or
> use to create VM images / Jails.
> 
> https://github.com/sobomax/sysmaker/blob/master/makeargs/distribution.sub
> https://github.com/sobomax/sysmaker/blob/master/makeargs/installkernel.sub
> https://github.com/sobomax/sysmaker/blob/master/makeargs/installworld.sub

I do not see anything in that set of files that requires this change,
am I missing something?

All of the existing values should of been overridable from the make
command line invocation, and it does not mater if they are in 1
file or 50 files.

> I have very few reasons to believe that our needs to be unique in this, I
> am pretty sure others will find some interesting use for this as well (e.g.
> signing binaries being installed, etc).

I do not see that your needs require this change.

> 
> -Max

-- 
Rod Grimes                                                 rgrimes@freebsd.org



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