Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:50:26 +0100 From: Holger Kipp <holger.kipp@alogis.com> To: dholmes@rahul.net, FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: CVS, was: Re: <no subject> Message-ID: <3C91EE12.BD568F12@alogis.com>
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Denis Holmes wrote:
>
> star-one[34](~/Mail)->grep -c '^From ' cvs
> 3818
> star-one[35](~/Mail)->ls -l cvs
> -rw------- 1 dholmes user 13861315 Mar 14 10:15 cvs
>
> In 25 days, that's 150 messages (and over .5 meg) per day. While good
> information to have, it's practically a full-time job to read all of
> these; the number of messages rivals the questions list. It also
> normally tells you what was done (in extremely general terms), not what
> is still to come and what dependency relationships exist.
I learned a lot reading those - after some weeks you'll learn to separate
the important from the less important messages ;-)
Hint: look at an original message and usually the first two replies only,
if the original poster described a problem you might encounter ;-)
o Usually one can 'ignore' "makeworld broken signal 11" messages.
o Important are the HEADS UP ones, and reading the /usr/src/UPDATING.
> Not to mention the problems of then knowing which changes have hit one's
> chosen mirror, and whether it happens to be in the middle of receiving
> a major commit, with commits happening round the clock. It seems to
> me that pretty much all one can do is pull an update and hope for the
> best, and repeat until it works.
Cvsup twice with about 1-5 minutes in between. If nothing changed, you're
usually on the sure side that you didn't cvsup in the middle of a commit.
So far this gave me next to no trouble during the last 6-12 months at least.
> I'm new to tracking -stable and so would gladly welcome corrections
> and suggestions, but this is the impression I've been getting from the
> mail discussions.
The first impression is of course that there are lots of things that don't
work (due to the amount of messages), but usually these are only minor bugs
where only some people with matching hardware/combinations have real problems.
Apart from that, you can always reboot your latest known working kernel if
you so wish (have a look at the handbook, make a copy of the known working
kernel - even though the default make installkernel will make a copy of the
last kernel - and of the modules-directory).
> [Dare I mention that updated ports are only officially supported on
> -stable and -current, implying that one must track an update path in
> order to use applications since previous versions of dist files can
> disappear rather quickly?]
You can get a DVD-release with _most_ distfiles from FreeBSD Services.
Most of the usually needed distfiles / packages are on the standard CD-Sets
(a purchase of one of those will also help FreeBSD <hint,hint> ;-) ).
http://www.freebsdmall.com/ The 'Original'
http://www.freebsdservices.co.uk/ DVD-Distribution
http://www.bsdmall.com/ DN-Distribution
Basically Daemonnews- and FreeBSDmall-Distributions are the same.
Just curious:
How did you manage to get your mail sent without any header-information?
Regards,
Holger
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