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Date:      Fri, 26 Jan 2024 17:24:32 +0200
From:      Sulev-Madis Silber <madis555@hot.ee>
To:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Removing fdisk and bsdlabel (legacy partition tools)
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call me new, i only started with 4=2E6, being 19 years old at that time, wh=
ich is pretty good i think

i've always found anything but gpart way too confusing to use=2E by that t=
ime i started with fbsd, chs was also gone for good=2E hence, no need, and =
when gpart came, i just switched over=2E and i consider myself a slow adapt=
er to some of new things

also, why would ufs users need to be immediately assumed to be only using =
anything but gpart? it's not like ufs is some old legacy=2E also i don't re=
ally believe you could really use 15 with all the features except of some d=
isk tools=2E on all new hw=2E on old hw, you won't be using 15=2E because f=
disk is not the only thing we removed over years=2E unsure if sad or happy =
path=2E nbsd seems to support everything still i see=2E i don't know, maybe=
 i should have really started with actual unix where i would have gotten li=
felong preference to fdisk and disklabel=2E high respect if those ones read=
 this tho

but yea, from all the replies, only thing i see is fdisk and disklabel is =
more comfortable to use, while giving no technical benefits at all=2E fuck =
knows if that's the reason to keep them then

i recall myself objecting before when there was call to remove grdc and po=
m=2E can't say about pom, i've used it for fun sometimes=2E grdc found use =
when checking if times are in sync=2E but those really belong to ports=2E i=
t not like those disappear or get banned=2E i could put them there myself, =
if it comes up again and i still miss them

we have moved a lot of things to ports already, since 4=2E6=2E altho, if p=
kgbase comes along, some argue against it too, it would be hard to draw a l=
ine where the "base" ends=2E what's "officially" supported and what's not

but yeah, i can confirm that a lot of changes have annoyed me=2E switch to=
 pkgng=2E or that libxo breaks stuff=2E pkgng now works i think, xo is stil=
l crapshoot=2E despite, i admit i like being able to get json from sysutils

so yeah changes kind of suck, but they still happen?



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