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Date:      Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:19:25 -0800
From:      Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>
To:        "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org, marius@alchemy.franken.de
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r200797 - head/lib/libc/stdtime
Message-ID:  <4B3129CD.20908@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <20091221.211648.632868945383134253.imp@bsdimp.com>
References:  <200912211943.nBLJhNUU038425@svn.freebsd.org>	<200912211459.21766.jhb@freebsd.org>	<20091221220004.GA42400@alchemy.franken.de> <20091221.211648.632868945383134253.imp@bsdimp.com>

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M. Warner Losh wrote:
> We really need newer binutils in the tree.
> 
> And we need a way to compiler gplv3 binutils into the system for folks
> that can do that without consequences...  But many modern processors
> need to have the gplv3 version of binutils and that will be a
> continuing problem.  One advantage of FreeBSD is its integration,
> rather than having to play version whack-a-mole like you do with
> embedded Linux.

When "we" last had the gplv3 discussion there were two lines of
thought that were proposed. One is "import llvm/clang" and the other
was "improve the infrastructure to support toolchains from ports." I
know that the llvm/clang project is moving forward, and I think that's
a great long-term direction.

In the short term I think we are well served on all fronts to modify
the build architecture to better support compilers from ports. This
would actually help with the llvm/clang testing too, and sidestep the
problems of gplv3 stuff being in the base. TMK there has been no work
on this direction at all, which is disappointing.

I know that there is a huge cultural bias towards shipping "a complete
system," and don't get me wrong, I am fully supportive of that. I am
NOT suggesting that we dike out the existing toolchain. Just that we
make it easier to use toolchains from ports.


Doug

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