Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 06:48:59 -0700 From: Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org> To: Lars Engels <lars.engels@0x20.net> Cc: Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: THANK YOU for flavors! Message-ID: <7C0A82FB-91F7-4EA4-AEF3-D4393FB9744C@adamw.org> In-Reply-To: <20171207133611.GU19238@e.0x20.net> References: <fe339d99-2516-d17d-fa94-b6ff48f57114@bluerosetech.com> <1afffe5a-8882-6cd8-5c09-b0c93e28bec5@gmail.com> <98c8597a-1db1-b1f6-2aa3-4f09b9a52c59@columbus.rr.com> <20171207133611.GU19238@e.0x20.net>
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> On 7 Dec, 2017, at 6:36, Lars Engels <lars.engels@0x20.net> wrote: >=20 > On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 07:51:15AM -0500, Baho Utot wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> On 12/07/17 04:30, Johan Hendriks wrote: >>> Op 07/12/2017 om 00:51 schreef Mel Pilgrim: >>>> In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and say >>>> thank you for bring in this feature. I've been chomping at the bit = to >>>> try flavours out since I heard about them. I started flavouring my >>>> company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it = landed. >>>>=20 >>>> Flavours are going to reduce 18 server role metaports to 3. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> Do you have a web page where flavours are explained nicely for non >>> technical FreeBSD users so that they can also see the benefits of >>> flavour. I think it is a little odd that a big change like this is = not >>> mentioned in any way on the front page of FreeBSD. >>> I really believe things are better this way albeit i did not read = and >>> understand it in a whole. I also believe flavours are nice in a = multi >>> server envirement and on the desktop. >>> The negative noice comes from people who USE FreeBSD on a single = machine >>> or maybe 2 and are now confronted with there old habbits not working >>> anymore. >>> Give those people a walkthrough how they can run poudriere. Best = without >>> out a server but just a oneliner they need to remeber for future >>> updates. They do not want to spend too much time reading and trying = to >>> update there system. >>> If FreeBSD has done that i think that was lot less negative noice on = the >>> channels. >>>=20 >>> Secondly I want to thank you all for the great product FreeBSD is = and it >>> is a great product thanks to all the time people infest into = FreeBSD. >>> So thank you all. But i also hope FreeBSD learns from these big = changes. >>> If FreeBSD want a larger userbase, single machine users are there. = And >>> they do not want to spend an hour reading through a poudriere man = page. >>> They just want to type pgk upgrade, portmaster -d -a, or maybe = poudriere >>> update ports for all that matters. >>>=20 >>=20 >> users also don't want to wake up to the fact that what worked a few = days=20 >> ago not is working ie fetch/update port repo run synth and then get a = "=20 >> What the fuck has just happened now" only to be put down by the so=20 >> called folks in charge here for even asking. >=20 > I think we all understood your point. Please come back if you have > something new to say. Baho, I didn't get your original message because you're routed to /dev/null on = my machine. Your tone is increasingly hostile, and you need to rein in your vitriol. You've told this list multiple times that you're leaving. Either leave = now, or change your tone on this list. If you want to complain about how flavors = ruined your life, fine, but insulting the people who created it is = inappropriate and not tolerated on this list. You're welcome to send me as much hate mail = as you'd like, but keep it off the list. This list is for helping users create or use ports. It is not your = personal soapbox, and if you can't control your emotions, then it's time for you = to walk away. # Adam --=20 Adam Weinberger adamw@adamw.org https://www.adamw.org
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