Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 05:07:30 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf-mardorf@riseup.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hardware recommendation Message-ID: <FA16D822-5453-4684-A475-C7E0414A8977@riseup.net>
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--Apple-Mail-B3640967-AC18-4922-B848-1DC94B5E648D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On 28. Jun 2022, at 23:45, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> wrot= e: >> On 6/28/22 1:21 PM, Robert Huff wrote: >> A disk drive on one of my machines is dying. >> I'd like to replace it with a _reliable_ (the old one lasted 10+ >> years at moderate loads) consumer-grade SATA II or higher drive of at >> least 500 gbytes. >> Any particular product lines getting consistantly good reviews? >> And what should I avoid like flesh-eating bacteria? >> Respectfully, >> Robert Huff >> =20 >=20 > I join everybody recommending Samsung SSD (a pair as a mirror, but I for o= ne only go for hardware RAID/mirror). >=20 > Spinning drive: I join recommendation of Ultrastar. Hi, consumer-grade? I would take a look at the price and the recording technolog= y. WD Red 2TB Recording process SMR=20 https://www.reichelt.de/de/en/2-tb-hard-driver-wd-red-nas-wd20efax-p268461.h= tml?&trstct=3Dvrt_pdn&nbc=3D1 68,- =E2=82=AC WD Red Plus 2 TB Recording process CMR=20 https://www.reichelt.de/de/en/wd-red-plus-2-tb-nas-hard-drive-2021--wd20efzx= -p299813.html?&nbc=3D1&trstct=3Dlsbght_sldr::268461 70,- =E2=82=AC WD Ultrastar 2TB Recording process CMR =20 https://www.reichelt.de/de/en/2tb-wd-ultrastar-dc-ha210-hard-drive-wd-1w1000= 2-p247329.html?search=3Dwd&&r=3D1 118,- =E2=82=AC In my experiences SSDs are more reliable, than HDDs. Even the slowest SSD is= faster, even when connected to SATA 2, than HDDs are. A SSD doesn=E2=80=98t= make noise. KIOXIA EXCERIA SSD 960 GB https://www.reichelt.de/de/en/kioxia-exceria-ssd-960-gb-ltc10z960gg8-p281903= .html?search=3Dkioxia+ssd&&r=3D1 81,- =E2=82=AC Samsung SSD 870 EVO Series 1TB https://www.reichelt.de/de/en/samsung-ssd-870-evo-series-1tb-mz-77e1t0b-p296= 729.html?search=3Dsamsung+ssd&&r=3D1 103,- =E2=82=AC I would not buy smaller than 1TB. None of my Toshiba/OCZ/KIOXIA ever failed,= but I replace one after the other that is smaller than 1TB, by a 1TB SSD, s= ince I run out of space. I can=E2=80=98t comment on Samsung. FWIW I=E2=80=98= m mainly using ext4 partitions ;). You probably will use another file system= , maybe the same as Valeri does use. IOW get a Samsung. I suspect KIOXIA is a= lso good when not using ext4, but you never know. When I run out of SATA 3 ports I bought an inLine 76696B PCIe card to get tw= o additional SATA 3 ports for a Linux host, but this and similar cards are p= robably FreeBSD compatible, too. Today Available for 34,-=E2=82=AC, but no R= AID. https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/3686019_-pcie-sata-iii-= 76696b-inline.html I fear compatibility issues when using NVMe SSDs, but that=E2=80=98s perhaps= just an unreasonable fear. Regards, Ralf PS: All my replies to this thread were done with the MUAs of tablets. Those M= UAs are a PITA. PPS: Valeri, my apologies, by accident I did not reply to the list. Fortunately it=E2=80=98s a chance to add something I forgot. If the OP shoul= d decide to get a SSD, a SSD mounting frame is required. https://www.reichelt.de/de/en//446/index.html?ACTION=3D446&SEARCH=3Dssd%20mo= unting%20frame&START=3D0&OFFSET=3D50&LA=3D446&nbc=3D1&q=3Dssd%20mounting%20f= rame&SID=3D9693ee3f4944989447124d2c96c37493a73481a8730ab4e35d715= --Apple-Mail-B3640967-AC18-4922-B848-1DC94B5E648D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D= utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" sty= le=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di= v dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D= "ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On 28. Jun= 2022, at 23:45, Valeri Galtsev <<span dir=3D"ltr">galtsev@kicp.uchicago.= edu</span>> wrote:<br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div d= ir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"cite" __apple_fixed_attribute=3D"true">On 6/2= 8/22 1:21 PM, Robert Huff wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">&= nbsp; A disk drive on one of my machines is dying.<br></blockquote><bl= ockquote type=3D"cite"> I'd like to replace it with a _reliable_= (the old one lasted 10+<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">years at m= oderate loads) consumer-grade SATA II or higher drive of at<br></blockquote>= <blockquote type=3D"cite">least 500 gbytes.<br></blockquote><blockquote type= =3D"cite"> Any particular product lines getting consistantly goo= d reviews?<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> And what s= hould I avoid like flesh-eating bacteria?<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D= "cite"> Respectfully,<br></blockquot= e><blockquote type=3D"cite"> = Robert Huff<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &= nbsp; <br></blockquote><br>I join everybod= y recommending Samsung SSD (a pair as a mirror, but I for one only go for ha= rdware RAID/mirror).<br><br>Spinning drive: I join recommendation of Ultrast= ar.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>consu= mer-grade? I would take a look at the price and the recording technology.</d= iv><div><br></div><h1 class=3D"av_fontnormal" style=3D"margin: 0.5em 0px; pa= dding: 0px; border: 0px; font-size: 18px; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Verdan= a; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(88, 89, 97);">WD Red 2TB</h1><div><u= l class=3D"clearfix" style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-s= ize: 15px; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Verdana; vertical-align: baseline; li= st-style: none; caret-color: rgb(88, 89, 97); color: rgb(88, 89, 97);"> = ;<li class=3D"av_propname" name=3D"1756" style=3D"margin: 0px 1em 0px 0px; p= adding: 0px; border: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; display: inline-table; l= ine-height: 1.2; width: calc(50% - 1em); word-break: break-all; min-width: 1= 2em;">Recording process</li><li class=3D"av_propvalue" style=3D"margin: 0px;= padding: 0px; border: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; display: inline-table;= line-height: 1.2; width: 302.15625px; word-break: break-all; min-width: 12e= m;">SMR</li></ul></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.reichelt.de/de/en/2-tb-ha= rd-driver-wd-red-nas-wd20efax-p268461.html?&trstct=3Dvrt_pdn&nbc=3D1= ">https://www.reichelt.de/de/en/2-tb-hard-driver-wd-red-nas-wd20efax-p268461= .html?&trstct=3Dvrt_pdn&nbc=3D1</a></div><div>68,- =E2=82=AC</div><d= iv><br></div><div><h2 style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-= size: 1.2em; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Verdana; vertical-align: baseline;"= ><span style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-size: 19.200000= 762939453px; vertical-align: baseline; font-weight: normal;">WD Red Plus 2 T= B</span></h2></div><div><span style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0p= x; font-size: 19.200000762939453px; vertical-align: baseline;"><ul class=3D"= clearfix" style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-size: 15px; f= ont-family: Arial, Tahoma, Verdana; vertical-align: baseline; list-style: no= ne; caret-color: rgb(88, 89, 97); color: rgb(88, 89, 97);"> <li class=3D= "av_propname" name=3D"1756" style=3D"margin: 0px 1em 0px 0px; padding: 0px; b= order: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; display: inline-table; line-height: 1.= 2; width: calc(50% - 1em); word-break: break-all; min-width: 12em;">Recordin= g process</li> <li class=3D"av_propvalue" style=3D"margin: 0px; padding= : 0px; border: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; display: inline-table; line-he= ight: 1.2; width: 302.15625px; word-break: break-all; min-width: 12em;">CMR<= /li></ul></span></div><div><span style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border:= 0px; font-size: 19.200000762939453px; vertical-align: baseline;"><a href=3D= "https://www.reichelt.de/de/en/wd-red-plus-2-tb-nas-hard-drive-2021--wd20efz= x-p299813.html?&nbc=3D1&trstct=3Dlsbght_sldr::268461">https://www.re= ichelt.de/de/en/wd-red-plus-2-tb-nas-hard-drive-2021--wd20efzx-p299813.html?= &nbc=3D1&trstct=3Dlsbght_sldr::268461</a></span></div><div>70,- =E2=82= =AC</div><div><span style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-si= ze: 19.200000762939453px; vertical-align: baseline;"><br></span></div><div><= h2 style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-size: 1.2em; font-f= amily: Arial, Tahoma, Verdana; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style=3D"mar= gin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-size: 19.200000762939453px; vertic= al-align: baseline; font-weight: normal;">WD Ultrastar </span><span sty= le=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-size: 19.200000762939453p= x; vertical-align: baseline; font-weight: normal;">2TB</span></h2></div><div= ><span style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; vertical-align: base= line;"><ul class=3D"clearfix" style=3D"font-size: 15px; margin: 0px; padding= : 0px; border: 0px; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Verdana; vertical-align: bas= eline; list-style: none; caret-color: rgb(88, 89, 97); color: rgb(88, 89, 97= );"> <li class=3D"av_propname" name=3D"1756" style=3D"margin: 0px 1em 0= px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; display: inline= -table; line-height: 1.2; width: calc(50% - 1em); word-break: break-all; min= -width: 12em;">Recording process</li> <li class=3D"av_propvalue" style=3D= "margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; display: i= nline-table; line-height: 1.2; width: 302.15625px; word-break: break-all; mi= n-width: 12em;">CMR<a href=3D"https://www.reichelt.de/de/en/2tb-wd-ultrastar= -dc-ha210-hard-drive-wd-1w10002-p247329.html?search=3Dwd&&r=3D1">&nb= sp;</a></li></ul><ul class=3D"clearfix" style=3D"font-size: 15px; margin: 0p= x; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Verdana; vertical-= align: baseline; list-style: none; caret-color: rgb(88, 89, 97); color: rgb(= 88, 89, 97);"><a href=3D"https://www.reichelt.de/de/en/2tb-wd-ultrastar-dc-h= a210-hard-drive-wd-1w10002-p247329.html?search=3Dwd&&r=3D1">https://= www.reichelt.de/de/en/2tb-wd-ultrastar-dc-ha210-hard-drive-wd-1w10002-p24732= 9.html?search=3Dwd&&r=3D1</a></ul><ul class=3D"clearfix" style=3D"fo= nt-size: 15px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: Arial, T= ahoma, Verdana; vertical-align: baseline; list-style: none; caret-color: rgb= (88, 89, 97); color: rgb(88, 89, 97);"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0,= 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: UICTFontTextStyleTallBody; font-size:= 17px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: none;">118,- =E2=82=AC</span></ul><div><br>= </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>In my experiences SSDs are more rel= iable, than HDDs. Even the slowest SSD is faster, even when connected to SAT= A 2, than HDDs are. A SSD doesn=E2=80=98t make noise.</div><div><font color=3D= "#585961" face=3D"Arial, Tahoma, Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 15px;"><= br></span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#585961" face=3D"Arial, Tahoma, V= erdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font c= olor=3D"#585961" face=3D"Arial, Tahoma, Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 1= 5px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#585961" face=3D"Arial, Ta= homa, Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div= ><h2 style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-size: 1.2em; font= -family: Arial, Tahoma, Verdana; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style=3D"m= argin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-size: 19.200000762939453px; vert= ical-align: baseline; font-weight: normal;">KIOXIA EXCERIA SSD 960 GB</span>= </h2></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.reichelt.de/de/en/kioxia-exceria-ssd-= 960-gb-ltc10z960gg8-p281903.html?search=3Dkioxia+ssd&&r=3D1">https:/= /www.reichelt.de/de/en/kioxia-exceria-ssd-960-gb-ltc10z960gg8-p281903.html?s= earch=3Dkioxia+ssd&&r=3D1</a></div><div>81,- =E2=82=AC</div><div><br= ></div><div><h2 style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-size: 1= .2em; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Verdana; vertical-align: baseline;"><span s= tyle=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-size: 19.20000076293945= 3px; vertical-align: baseline; font-weight: normal;">Samsung SSD 870 EVO Ser= ies 1TB</span></h2></div><div><span style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px; bord= er: 0px; font-size: 19.200000762939453px; vertical-align: baseline;"><a href= =3D"https://www.reichelt.de/de/en/samsung-ssd-870-evo-series-1tb-mz-77e1t0b-= p296729.html?search=3Dsamsung+ssd&&r=3D1">https://www.reichelt.de/de= /en/samsung-ssd-870-evo-series-1tb-mz-77e1t0b-p296729.html?search=3Dsamsung+= ssd&&r=3D1</a></span></div><div>103,- =E2=82=AC</div><div><br></div>= <div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I would not buy smaller than 1TB. None of= my Toshiba/OCZ/KIOXIA ever failed, but I replace one after the other that i= s smaller than 1TB, by a 1TB SSD, since I run out of space. I can=E2=80=98t c= omment on Samsung. FWIW I=E2=80=98m mainly using ext4 partitions ;). You pro= bably will use another file system, maybe the same as Valeri does use. IOW g= et a Samsung. I suspect KIOXIA is also good when not using ext4, but you nev= er know.</div><div><br></div><div>When I run out of SATA 3 ports I bought an= inLine 76696B PCIe card to get two additional SATA 3 ports for a Linux host= , but this and similar cards are probably FreeBSD compatible, too. Today Ava= ilable for 34,-=E2=82=AC, but no RAID.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"h= ttps://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/3686019_-pcie-sata-iii-7= 6696b-inline.html">https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/3686= 019_-pcie-sata-iii-76696b-inline.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>I fear co= mpatibility issues when using NVMe SSDs, but that=E2=80=98s perhaps just an u= nreasonable fear.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Ralf</div><div= ><br></div><div>PS: All my replies to this thread were done with the MUAs of= tablets. Those MUAs are a PITA.</div><div><br></div><div>PPS: Valeri, my ap= ologies, by accident I did not reply to the list.</div><div>Fortunately it=E2= =80=98s a chance to add something I forgot. If the OP should decide to get a= SSD, a SSD mounting frame is required.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"= https://www.reichelt.de/de/en//446/index.html?ACTION=3D446&SEARCH=3Dssd%= 20mounting%20frame&START=3D0&OFFSET=3D50&LA=3D446&nbc=3D1&am= p;q=3Dssd%20mounting%20frame&SID=3D9693ee3f4944989447124d2c96c37493a7348= 1a8730ab4e35d715">https://www.reichelt.de/de/en//446/index.html?ACTION=3D446= &SEARCH=3Dssd%20mounting%20frame&START=3D0&OFFSET=3D50&LA=3D= 446&nbc=3D1&q=3Dssd%20mounting%20frame&SID=3D9693ee3f49449894471= 24d2c96c37493a73481a8730ab4e35d715</a></div></span></div></div></div></div><= /div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-B3640967-AC18-4922-B848-1DC94B5E648D--
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