Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 01:58:18 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf-mardorf@riseup.net> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Docker Message-ID: <ca658907af189bbe9c10a344b76f4f14cf53ce46.camel@riseup.net> In-Reply-To: <CAFYkXjnkv-UKBcVe3Wz=y9RLkMJrpE0%2Be3Pw_Vfq7v4CKKEg_g@mail.gmail.com> References: <20230329053443.6ADA6B6AFED5@dhcp-8e64.meeting.ietf.org> <34b4b76e-1c41-4cfb-9e86-856f01e8abc9@app.fastmail.com> <CA%2B1FSihVrJ8cZ4ZU6mMr0sKJsZ98V4fh2vpDLugw7MGj-%2BEBPg@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSijL50mQ-HveBA4HZeNkSoaORv=aty-15nNLzn9amzY_nw@mail.gmail.com> <6002f636-310b-a9fd-b82f-346618976983@timpreston.net> <CA%2B1FSigV_pPwVW%2BDd8WZYGcNQVt7%2BYOcsnJFoRhS6jL5A636pg@mail.gmail.com> <20230412150350.12f97eb2c9dd566b8c8702d2@sohara.org> <CA%2B1FSihVPCQ6tp8u=aqnLyyOPpCMrnhYGcC8bCUgRbFHTdY5sA@mail.gmail.com> <1535315680.2770963.1681309684072@mail.yahoo.com> <CAHieY7RFe0P85twcs1NiiAvTTr4oGPJEtXEkufsXswQt3ECGvg@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSiiCG-iugAbSoNC2r5WXCJvgi6pj3jG74jCwukhNtb_XGA@mail.gmail.com> <CADGo8CXsCYCOi%2Bwk2ED7zpJdFQDhynzD0u1qFDUFS3RveS8wOg@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSij3VXqsGs5ZTUv%2B9Q2wJ18yCqVqgHAyGfCWc0C%2Bxi=KXw@mail.gmail.com> <543289768.3317542.1681394425362@mail.yahoo.com> <CA%2B1FSiicxR1hbd=LO8%2BPMyv7=OmXZGa3Uco1p-rRP3pe1Yf6hA@mail.gmail.com> <f59385ad-a467-5e24-3c17-72c17d3b5aca@gmx.at> <887947753.4080046.1681511775374@mail.yahoo.com> <CA%2B1FSijAYbWDktOEbcAuAF8P-fTK5k_bDd0_isEKTUEAD-%2B2Ug@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXjnkv-UKBcVe3Wz=y9RLkMJrpE0%2Be3Pw_Vfq7v4CKKEg_g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, 2023-04-15 at 01:21 +0200, Tomek CEDRO wrote: > On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 12:46=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto wrote: > > So,let me understand : docker images aren't compatible with FreeBSD. Im= agine that the FreeBSD jails will be not compatible with Linux. Wow,this is= true interoperability. >=20 > Mario, (Free)BSD is Unix derivative and thus standard compliant, look > at sockets, IPv4, IPv6, Jails, ZFS, etc. >=20 > It was Linux folks who invent things that are only compatible with > Linux and only until new fancy pancy Linux only revelation is > introduced then those solutions are not even Linux compatible anymore. > "Progress by Enforced Changes"^TM. It was Docker that did not take > other OS into consideration at design stage. It was SystemD that did > not take other OS into consideration at design stage, and now lots of > application follow that systemd core dependency making them hardly > portable to any other OS. What about kernel API changes with every > minor release that started around 2.4.11 (I was using Linux 2.0.36 / > ~1998 .. 2.4.12 / ~2007)? Look at DRM mess it introduced to graphics > driver world. How would you call that interoperability / portability / > long term maintenance? Linux by design is self-incompatible. Do you > really want us to to follow that "fashions" with a life span shorter > than a yogurt? >=20 > There are reasons for people avoiding Linux. Hahaha, since I know you from the times you were a Linux user (to be fair this was the VintageInit time ;) and while I'm still mainly a Linux user, but for good reasons lurking on what's happening with FreeBSD... ...yesno... it depends. IOW, no, no, no, you are mistaken in so many ways. However, since around a month I'm migrating from old Intel hardware to latest raptor lake hardware. I seriously doubt that it makes a big difference, if I would prefer=C2=A0FreeBSD over Linux or vice versa, assumi= ng my "main" domain pro audio would allow such a choice. Some Linux distros try, without any success that is worth mentioning, or at best it is a step into the wrong direction, do flirt with the hardware suppliers. In many cases the chances are a little bit better to get hardware support from vendors, when using Linux instead of FreeBSD. In my current situation it doesn't matter, regarding the desktop user issues I experience. Seriously related to your argumentation we all should migrate to ... I'm unable to speak it out ;). What actually is "standard compliant" for? POSIX? Without doubts for Linux there's no standard at all. It is not POSIX and the LSB failed completely. However, apart from server usage, what is any old fashioned standard still good for, if hardware vendors do everything they can do, to make desktop computer usage even for experts very hard, if they are unwilling to use Windows? IOW every OS has got it niche. Regards, Ralf
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