Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 09:44:24 -0700 From: Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com>, freebsd-arch <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Future of 32-bit platforms (including i386) Message-ID: <3D0FACB4-A356-4FB1-BB10-0232DEBB08C0@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfotDMz2DBu-iZNKf_%2BQBQO4EBv-hS_jx9xa69LyzB5niQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <00E63ECC-2E7B-4C9F-9903-A8BD67278C00@yahoo.com> <CANCZdfotDMz2DBu-iZNKf_%2BQBQO4EBv-hS_jx9xa69LyzB5niQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On May 31, 2023, at 10:30, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 10:09 AM Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> wrote: > Emmanuel Vadot <manu_at_bidouilliste.com> wrote on > Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 06:35:55 UTC : > > > . . . > > > > I personnaly see armv7 in "degraded maintainance mode" since 13.0, > > nothing really intersting was added, no new SoC support even if there > > was some interesting one that we could support, no new drivers for > > supported platforms. We even lost TI BeagleBone support because no one > > really have the time to keep support up to date. > > I still have some little cute boards that I want to use from time to > > time but the lack of proper porting of new language (like rust and iirc > > go have problems too) is making new software unusable on those boards > > (you can't even make some "smart speaker" for spotify as all the > > spotify clients are in rust). > > IMX6 support is stalled since ian@ passed away and mmel@ isn't very > > active atm and they were both the most actives developers for armv7 low > > level code. > > One of the things for tier 2 is: > (from https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/committers-guide/#archs > 21.4. Tier 2 section) > > QUOTE > Collectively, developers are required to provide the following > to maintain the Tier 2 status of a platform: > > • Tier 2 architectures must have an active ecosystem of users and developers. > END QUOTE > > Is there an implication that, even for 14, the "developers" > part of that for armv7 has dropped off to the point that > tier 2 would reasonably be in question? > > For the 14 branch, armv7 seems to be right on the edge. Some > bugs do get fixed, but some of the SoCs are so poorly maintained > that they don't work anymore (for whatever reason). So "degraded > maintenance mode" is likely apt for 14: it will still work, mostly, but > many cool new things that people want, both in terms of languages > and new hardware support will be lacking in some way, shape or > form. Tier 2 is likely still the best tier to keep it at, imho. > One thing I was unsure of is how much the choice is driven by things as they are at around releng/14.0 vs. what things might be expected to be like around, say, releng/14.4 (a number of years later). It appears that changing tier status is normally avoided for the likes of 14.[1-4] . === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.comhome | help
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