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Date:      Fri, 2 May 2008 23:09:30 -0500
From:      "Rick C. Petty" <rick-freebsd@kiwi-computer.com>
To:        Shaun Sabo <shaun.bsd@gmail.com>
Cc:        Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@freebsd.org>, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD 7.0 SATA Controller
Message-ID:  <20080503040930.GB26564@keira.kiwi-computer.com>
In-Reply-To: <be79767b0805022053h1c02dd4at4d838e8816def158@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 11:53:04PM -0400, Shaun Sabo wrote:
> the livefs cds do not drop you into a shell. they drop you into the same
> screen you see when you insert an installation cd. try it on qemu or another
> virtualization program or even boot one up if you have a spare cd rom. in
> order to access the livefs shell you need to navigate to the fixit menu and
> then go to the livefs CD/DVD option.

Please explain where you obtained said "livefs" CD.  Every livefs CD I've
tried (in qemu) has dropped me to a shell.  Every "fixit" CD I've tried
brings me to sysinstall and from there I drop to the shell after navigating
the menus.

> as for the apic vc acpi that was a typo
> due to exhaustion, sorry bout that.

Sure, but which one do you mean?  I assume you mean booting with or without
ACPI, which is an option in the boot loader.

> > > motherboard so i couldnt even boot the debian installer cd. i also tried
> > > booting the freebsd installer disks without apic but the same problem
> > occurs
> > > so i dont think its hanging because of the power managment.

ACPI isn't just power management-- it's advanced _configuration_ and power
interface.  My understanding is that if present, FreeBSD talks to the ACPI
on the BIOS to allocate IRQs and other resources.  There have been bugs in
the past when dealing with ACPI which caused the FreeBSD devs to include a
boot option to disable it.  If your system breaks w/o ACPI, then there's
certainly a BIOS firmware problem.

Have you tried the following test?  Cold boot (from power off) to FreeBSD
CD, disable ACPI from the menu, boot the kernel, then do a warm reboot and
see if the problem exists.  My sense is that if your first attempt from a
cold start has ACPI enabled, the problem will persist for every subsequent
warm reboot.

-- Rick C. Petty



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