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Date:      Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:23:13 -0800 (PST)
From:      Hugh LaMaster <lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov>
To:        current@FreeBSD.ORG
Cc:        lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov
Subject:   Re: my worldstone
Message-ID:  <199803112023.MAA18435@george.arc.nasa.gov>
In-Reply-To: <199803111939.NAA27575@home.dragondata.com> from "Kevin Day" at Mar 11, 98 01:39:57 pm

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> > It will be nice if people with very fast systems and i/o subsystems to 
> > post their world stone. It has been alluded in the past that we have
> > a bottle neck in the system we seem to hover around 100 minutes. For

BTW, I notice some folks posting "make world" and others "make buildworld".

What are the "official" parameters for "world stone"?


> > instance, Simon Shapiro posted in the past that increasing the i/o
> > subsystem like by using a DPT couple with fast disks didn't seem
> > to improve his relative world stone benchmark.
> > 
> yy
> As a point of reference:
> 
> My dual PII/333, two 10000 rpm 4G ultra wide scsi drives, each on their own
          ^^^^^^^

What chipset?  I assume LX chipset, because I don't think the Natoma
boards for PII were supposed to go over 300 MHz, but, you could be
overclocking.

How much memory?  What memory?  SDRAM? w/ ECC?  Are the memory timings 
set properly for SDRAM in the BIOS?  (x-1-1-1 with SDRAM?).

> adaptec controller(/usr/src in one, and obj in the other), 256M Ram, and no
> other tasks running still took around one hour 45 minutes to complete a make
> buildworld -j4.

Curiously, for me this (that is, "make buildworld") was 
~ 2 hrs 30 minutes for me on a PPro 200, Natoma chipset 
(ASUS P/I-6NP5 I think it was - I don't remember the
exact model number) with 3.0-current, in January.
"make installworld" added another ~1/2 hour.  I don't
have the system anymore, or exact timings.

PPro200, Natoma, 64 MB FP parity DRAM with parity enabled
Buslogic BT-958 SCSI controller
Quantum Atlas 4.x GB disk - 1 disk, everything on it, filesystems synchronous
3.0-Current as of mid-January, 1998.

Since this system has pretty bad write bandwidth, I assume that
its relatively good performance on "world stone" is due to the
low-latency L2 cache.

> Is it just memory bandwidth we're hitting? Putting both directories one
> drive slightly slowed things down.... Same with going to a UP kernel. But
> nowhere near the differences it made on a similar dual P/200.

Write memory bandwidth should be significantly better on the PII/333
than PPro200.  L1 cache is bigger, faster, L2 cache is bigger, *slower*.
Significantly longer latency.  According to the specs.  


Could the longer L2 cache latency hurt PII/333 performance that much?  
On some other benchmarks, PII/233 - PII/266 on Natoma seems roughly 
the somewhere around ~ PPro200.  PII/333 on LX "should" be way faster. 



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