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Date:      Sun, 5 May 2002 17:13:34 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
To:        Nils Holland <nils@daemon.tisys.org>
Cc:        Colin Faber <cfaber@fpsn.net>, security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: You've Been Removed!
Message-ID:  <200205060013.g460DYn54044@apollo.backplane.com>
References:  <200205051832.OAA29652@matterhorn.pinn.net> <3CD59C0A.306681E3@fpsn.net> <20020505233756.A8532@daemon.tisys.org>

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    I think the lists should remain open.  A perfect solution would be
    to have the mail system keep a database of originators (From: and
    the first Received: header).  Whenever it sees an email from someone
    not in the database it would request that the person acknowledge
    that they really intended to send the email and, if they do, their
    email goes through and they are added to the database (so it only
    asks them once).

    I've been contemplating writing such a beast for myself, since 90%
    of the email I receive these days is spam.  I'm sure others have
    written similar things so I'm wondering if there is a solution out
    there already.  At some point I'm going to write mine (as a standalone
    MX relay so it could be tied into any system), when I have more time
    available.

						-Matt

:This issue comes up every now and then, mostly when viruses or other spam
:gets sent to the FreeBSD lists (though this constantly repeating "You've
:been added / You've been removed) thing was the most interesting thing I
:saw in the last few months ;-)
:
:Anyway, my opinion has always been that *all* FreeBSD lists should be in
:"subscribers may only post" mode, while FreeBSD-questions should remain
:open for all, as many people only see that list's address mentioned in the
:default motd and post messages to it without wanting to be constantly 
:signed up. However, for the other FreeBSD lists where the majority of
:users are not "I-only-post-when-I-have-a-problem" folks, but rather
:"core members" (i.e. constantly subscribed), I guess that if these list
:only granted posting access to subscribers, a lot of hassles could be
:saved.
:
:Greetings
:Nils
:
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:
:Nils Holland <nils@daemon.tisys.org>

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