Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:57:19 +0200 From: Niclas Zeising <zeising+freebsd@daemonic.se> To: Pete Wright <pete@nomadlogic.org>, Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org>, Jan Beich <jbeich@freebsd.org> Cc: Tomasz CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info>, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: drm-i915kms + x11-intel eats out all of the ram and swap but not with x11-scfb Message-ID: <8bab0627-c7a2-8c8a-41d9-6e099afa1209@daemonic.se> In-Reply-To: <1ab0b060-ee43-3e0d-4f9c-ebad1e92c57e@nomadlogic.org> References: <CAFYkXj=HQ6NKx=_4fG5vyPokdL5FBpdiKccVChL-w7Q=Ty=w5w@mail.gmail.com> <19d0dbdc-f1ac-22f1-6934-076bb5733ab7@daemonic.se> <CAFYkXj=Tq4y_a_=ikiuspDbX6wK4qqPj5qturaZ3OS5CU4zQJw@mail.gmail.com> <24c43065-527d-499b-282a-43df2a947a1d@gmail.com> <CAFYkXjn7iwa7rmZVUYS75qKe6UeN8mBREG6h-n1zMt8UTS9whA@mail.gmail.com> <lfmu-2ghu-wny@FreeBSD.org> <20200418024954.GB6251@FreeBSD.org> <1ab0b060-ee43-3e0d-4f9c-ebad1e92c57e@nomadlogic.org>
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On 2020-04-18 05:58, Pete Wright wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 4/17/20 7:49 PM, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 07:01:49PM +0200, Jan Beich wrote: >>> ... >>> Unlikely. modesetting reached "good enough" level while X11 is >>> deprecated in favor of Wayland. >> X11 is certainly not going anywhere as it mostly works just fine and n= o >> replacement is needed.=C2=A0 You guys can play with Wayland or whateve= r the >> next cool kid on the block is called as long as you wish but please le= t >> it be your pain, not ours. >> >> Deprecating X11, huh.=C2=A0 That's preposterous! > You should let the Xorg development team know your opinions on this=20 > topic.=C2=A0 the freebsd graphics team is trying to make sure that when= =20 > upstream does make the cut over to wayland we are not left totally out. >=20 > i would also say that *now* (well probably several years ago) is the=20 > time for us as a community to get engaged with wayland development.=20 > there are already lots of linux and systemd assumptions being made by=20 > their development efforts, so this is our opportunity to make sure our=20 > voices are heard before it's too late. The Freedesktop.org upstream (the ones responsible for xorg and wayland)=20 are aware of us, and quite helpful in getting FreeBSD specific code in,=20 so I'm not too worried there (as long as we bring the code, at least).=20 I'm more worried about the people making various wayland compositors and=20 wayland desktop environments though. >=20 > personally my biggest worry is that wayland going to end up being even=20 > more tightly coupled with logind/systemd and we'll be left with the=20 > choice of no modern graphics stack or having to adopt systemd in some=20 > way.=C2=A0 i'd hazard a guess that this is a situation that none of us = would=20 > be too happy with. >=20 With regards to logind/systemd, what we need to provide is most likely a=20 session manager of some sort, or at least an interface to FreeBSD=20 session handling, where it is possible to plug in such a thing. Regards --=20 Niclas
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