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Date:      Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:53:47 +0100
From:      Fabian Keil <freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de>
To:        Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Dag-Erling =?UTF-8?B?U23DuHJncmF2?= <des@des.no>, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r246362 - head/games/fortune/datfiles
Message-ID:  <20130206115347.00720818@fabiankeil.de>
In-Reply-To: <20130206021818.GB2899@eureka.lemis.com>
References:  <201302051439.r15EdcE7011203@svn.freebsd.org> <201302051145.40104.jhb@freebsd.org> <20130206021818.GB2899@eureka.lemis.com>

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Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org> wrote:

> On Tuesday,  5 February 2013 at 11:45:40 -0500, John Baldwin wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:39:38 am Dag-Erling SmXXrgrav wrote:
> >> Author: des
> >> Date: Tue Feb  5 14:39:37 2013
> >> New Revision: 246362
> >> URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/246362
> >>
> >> Log:
> >>   Remove political propaganda
> >>
> >> Modified:
> >>   head/games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes-o.real
> >
> > *sigh*
> >
> > I'm sure there are other quotes that people who do not share your
> > political persuasion might find propaganda or offensive, etc.
> > Censorship and freedom of speech is quite a sticky widget, and I
> > think the only truly sane policy is that fortune files are
> > append-only (unless we outright remove them and that seems
> > excessive).  And new things should have a very high bar to be added
> > to fortune.  Perhaps we should move fortunes-o to ports entirely?
>=20
> Agreed, it shouldn't be up to individuals to decide which fortunes are
> *too* offensive.  In this case, I suspect that there's a distinct
> difference between the perceptions of people inside and outside the
> USA.  I also find Limbaugh particularly hard to stomach, but I don't
> think it should have been removed.

I'm somewhat amused that Limbaugh quotes are apparently considered
too offensive for fortunes-o.real, while the Hitler quotes from
games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes don't even qualify for fotunes-o.

At least the first two aren't exactly pro-feminism either
and I'm sure they could offend someone somewhere.

> The real issue I see is that, for whatever reason, the Limbaugh
> fortunes pop up far too frequently.  It's as if the random number
> generation is failing.  Comments?

D=C3=A9j=C3=A0 vu:
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2005-July/053125.html

Fabian

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