Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:43:45 -0700 From: Gary Kline <kline@sage.thought.org> To: "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ARRRRGH! Guys, who's breaking -STABLE's GMIRROR code?! Message-ID: <20060916004345.GA15415@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20060915153624.X1031@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060909182831.GA32004@FS.denninger.net> <200609100159.k8A1xAIn089481@drugs.dv.isc.org> <d6895b7d0609140844re8260fel953ddfeff0a9edf8@mail.gmail.com> <450AA29D.9000700@cs.tu-berlin.de> <200609151616.k8FGG23C065997@fire.jhs.private> <20060915175346.GF15445@leia.lambermont.dyndns.org> <20060915153624.X1031@ganymede.hub.org>
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On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 03:41:04PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Hans Lambermont wrote: > > >Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > >>Stable is a misnomer that harms FreeBSD somewhat. > > > >I agree. > > > >>A promoter of FreeBSD I know has long encouraged people to upgrade > >>from release to stable. Some don't & won't realise Stable is Not > >>necessarily Stable, & may get burnt. Much of the world speaks English > >>only as a 2nd language. They won't benefit from the double trouble of > >>foreign + weird BSD geek speak: "Stable isn't Stable ? Yes or No !" > >>"It's stable, but it's OK to crash ? - I'll go Linux !" > >> > >>Imagine a boat labelled Stable: It sinks. The designers claim: "Tough! > >>We left the Application Interface (routes to bars & toilets) stable, > >>but changed other stuff. Hey ! Stable never meant Stable ! > >> You've got a good point. Wouldn't be be best to merge the mythical last-bug from x-BETA+ into x and have release-x be the (abs) most stable *for that release*? I have generally run -STABLE ((now/then -RELEASE)); it is to the developers' credit [[all get 5 stars from here!]] that -STABLE has run so flawlessly until now. ---Yeah, I am speaking only for myself; what else :-). > > Or rename it what it is: > > 6.x-BETA > > Where x == the next -RELEASE ... > > But, I'm just curious here ... for all of the talk going around about this > whole issue, how many ppl have truly ever been bitten by an unstable > -STABLE? And for those that have, how long did it take to get help from a > developer to get it fixed? Indeed. This snafu didn't bite me because I was at 5.4... and right, hat's off and cheers for Pawel Dawidek. Everyone shouldbe as consciencious --it'd be a vastly better world (.) gary > > In the case that started this thread, it seems to be that the developer > fixed his mistake fairly quickly, which is what one would expect ... it > shouldn't be so much that he *broke* -STABLE (shit happens, do you want > your money back?), but it should be 'was he around to reverse his mistake > in a reasonable amount of time?' ... ? > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix
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