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--=_9992b8cc28aa65f2e44df8f3afe6eb03 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 2025-06-02 00:00, Steven Harms (High-Security Mail) wrote: > Folks, > > TL;DR: After being told my cheap and old laptop wasn’t any good for > performance-demanding FreeBSD work (e.g. building VSCode), I bought a new > laptop. > But… > > * it uses Meteor Lake chipset > * thus does not work in 14.2/3 > * is thus only likely to be supported in the near future on 15.0-CURRENT > (with > even an MFC looking fraught) > * and presently is not working on current HEAD Hello Steven, FWIW I felt close to the same when I got my Lenovo ~year ago. But now I'm *really* happy to say everything in it functions pretty darn good. It's a Lenovo Ideapad (Framework 12 laptop) It's sporting: 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-1215U CPU, Alder Lake-UP3 GT1 [UHD Graphics] and an AX201 wifi as well as Bluetooth (forget which version). Everything works. I run 3 jails full time for development/ports maintenance. I build everything on this, including world/kernel and all the ports I use with this. I have zero problems building rust/go/electron. Which are heavy-hitters (the laptop gets warm). But completes the tasks in very acceptable time. So I guess I'm saying, if you're looking for something reasonably modern and w/o breaking the bank. This combination would be a pretty good choice. I run iwlwifi(intel): channel 40 (5200 MHz 11a vht/80+) -- 802.11/ac -- while it's not *yet* /ax it's pretty fast. I'm using the drm-66-(intel) kmod (i915) for graphics. Runs everything from gtk-(3,4)/gnome and KDE nicely w/o issues. HTH --Chris > > I didn’t realize this chip was such a complicator. My research suggests that > supporting this change is Really Hard (tm). The related issues/branches seem > to be > in a state of high churn, force-push, and inconsistent signal, so I’m not > sure how > to estimate a timeline to leaving a pure-VT experience.* In the most earnest > way > possible and with humility and in full and total reverence for and gratitude > toward souls whose brilliance lets them write *video drivers*: > > Should I return this computer and wait until 15.0-RELEASE? And how can I > know that > the video hardware will be supported then/when I buy an alternative? My > return > window closes shortly so a decision is pressing. > > *OR* > > Is Meteor Lake support just a moment away and my services as an early > adopter > would be appreciated — FWIW: I’ve run all the experimental code to > contribute test > data. > > Either way, perhaps my experience helps us all see the value of the > Foundation’s > investment in project-laptop — and maybe that’s a good thing to share. My > experience is what a lot of eager, would-be adopters are running into out of > the > gate, and many of them wouldn’t have the *ahem* decades of Unix use that I > have > under my belt to even reason about what’s going wrong. > > Steven > > (Longer) > > I started out with FreeBSD on a spare laptop I had laying around to see if I > liked > it enough to keep it. I did! Working through the quirks was something I > valued > enough to document for others[0]. But when I tried to build VSCode I was > laughed > out of the building politely informed that my old machine wasn't really > feasible > as a platform[1]. Fair enough. So I bought a new Asus Zenbook. I opted for > Intel > (not NVidia) graphics for ease. I expected the i915kms driver to work[2]. > > After struggling to get iwlwifi working (including building a custom usb > installer > with the requisite firmware and module code), I got to a 14.3 system with > network. > Awesome. I then tried to build the drm-kmod module again, as I'd done before > [3]. > Obviously, this winds up not working due to firmware and a host of other > concerns. > This drove me to 15.0-CURRENT where I’ve been since in a pure-VT existence. > > I've been tracking the work around drm-kmod[4] in proj-laptop and it seems > stalled > based on drm-kmod[5].The release schedule[6] suggests, as I read it, that I > might > be waiting until December for a stable 15.0 release. > > *: TBH, VT-only is not horrible, as I grew up on x86’s dialing up to a SCO > terminal and I’ve always had a love for European teletext services and > Minitel. > It’s awesome for focus... But for what I paid, I’d like to be able to load a > graphical environment, sleep on lid close, or not have to rely on my > mouse-less > tmux-or-die skills just to get through the day. > > [0]: https://stevengharms.com/longform/my-first-freebsd/ > [1]: > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/vscode-extremely-long-build-builds-linux-on-the-way.97740/ > [2] https://www.freshports.org/graphics/drm-kmod > [3]: > https://stevengharms.com/longform/my-first-freebsd/installation/part-2-power-management/ > [4]: https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/proj-laptop/issues/47 > [5]: https://github.com/freebsd/drm-kmod/pull/332 > > [6]: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/schedule/ > > --- > > Public Key: 22BE39E2FA68D8BA8DC4B43A55A16D8CE2B036DE > > Messages from this account are considered the best-secured and most > reliable. 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