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Date:      Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:12:25 -0700
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com>, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Any Cronyx Tau* (ce(4) or cp(4)) users ?
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On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 9:52 AM Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:42:36 -0500
> Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 at 10:27, Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >  Hello all,
> > >
> > >  I've noticed this /sbin/sconfig binary and after looking it's for
> > > configuring Cronyx E1 PCI (PCI as in PCI, not PCIe).
> > >  The products pages ([1], [2]) seems to say that FreeBSD >=7 isn't
> > > supported.
> > >  We currently only build the drivers for i386 (and they contain native
> > > compiled code).
> > >
> > >  Anyway, I'd like to remove this from the tree, I really doubt that
> > > anyone uses this cards nowadays (or even E1) but just in case I send
> > > this mail.
> >
> > I posted a similar query to -stable in 2020, at
> >
> https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2020-February/092037.html
> > and did not get any response.
> >
> > I have D23928 for a deprecation notice for ce and cp. Gleb commented
> > there that he'd offer to maintain them (and as part of that, removed
> > sppp in 6aae3517ed25).
> >
>
>  I'm not sure I understand the logic here.
>  We're keeping drivers for museum grade hardware that no developer have
> access to and likely no one uses nowadays just for an hypothetical
> situation where someone will try to use those cards on FreeBSD 14 i386
> in 2021 ?
>  And we're doing that just because the drivers compiles ?
>

I've cc'd Gleb to see if he can shine some light on this.

Warner

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 9:52 AM Emman=
uel Vadot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:manu@bidouilliste.com">manu@bidouilliste.co=
m</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
>On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:42:36 -0500<br>
Ed Maste &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:emaste@freebsd.org" target=3D"_blank">emaste=
@freebsd.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 at 10:27, Emmanuel Vadot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:man=
u@bidouilliste.com" target=3D"_blank">manu@bidouilliste.com</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 Hello all,<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 I&#39;ve noticed this /sbin/sconfig binary and after lookin=
g it&#39;s for<br>
&gt; &gt; configuring Cronyx E1 PCI (PCI as in PCI, not PCIe).<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 The products pages ([1], [2]) seems to say that FreeBSD &gt=
;=3D7 isn&#39;t<br>
&gt; &gt; supported.<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 We currently only build the drivers for i386 (and they cont=
ain native<br>
&gt; &gt; compiled code).<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 Anyway, I&#39;d like to remove this from the tree, I really=
 doubt that<br>
&gt; &gt; anyone uses this cards nowadays (or even E1) but just in case I s=
end<br>
&gt; &gt; this mail.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I posted a similar query to -stable in 2020, at<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2020-Feb=
ruary/092037.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.freeb=
sd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2020-February/092037.html</a><br>
&gt; and did not get any response.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I have D23928 for a deprecation notice for ce and cp. Gleb commented<b=
r>
&gt; there that he&#39;d offer to maintain them (and as part of that, remov=
ed<br>
&gt; sppp in 6aae3517ed25).<br>
&gt; <br>
<br>
=C2=A0I&#39;m not sure I understand the logic here.<br>
=C2=A0We&#39;re keeping drivers for museum grade hardware that no developer=
 have<br>
access to and likely no one uses nowadays just for an hypothetical<br>
situation where someone will try to use those cards on FreeBSD 14 i386<br>
in 2021 ?<br>
=C2=A0And we&#39;re doing that just because the drivers compiles ?<br></blo=
ckquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve cc&#39;d Gleb to see if he can shine s=
ome light on this.</div><div><br></div><div>Warner=C2=A0</div></div></div>

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