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Date:      Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:10:28 +0200
From:      "Carroll, D. (Danny)" <Danny.Carroll@mail.ing.nl>
To:        "Kevin Way" <kevin.way@overtone.org>
Cc:        <freebsd-security@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: Possible New Security Tool For FreeBSD, Need Your Help.
Message-ID:  <98829DC07ECECD47893074C4D525EFC311569F@citsnl007.europe.intranet>

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Right, I was wondering when someone might say that...

It seems to me that there are obvious drawbacks to this idea.  Like
someone else mentioned.  It's a good idea but you can't count on the
security.

So if the security *is* too week, and that doesn't bother Lucky, then
perhaps other *less secure* methods might also be appealing (and easier
to implement.)

How about a CGI which adds the rule dynamically.
You could put it on an ssl website behind a decent password.

Still would not be rock solid but it wouldn't be any worse than the
original idea.

-D

:-----Original Message-----
:From: Kevin Way [mailto:kevin.way@overtone.org]
:Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 5:40 AM
:To: Not Going to Tell You
:Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org
:Subject: Re: Possible New Security Tool For FreeBSD, Need Your Help.
:
:
:> But by hidding the sshd port, maybe, just maybe, we can reduce the
:> number of script kiddies from trying sshd scripts.
:
:just a note that nobody has directly mentioned.  You're also exposing
:yourself to additional risks.
:
:-Administrators could potentially be located behind unusual firewalls
:which could hinder the magic port sequence delivery.
:
:-Administrators could potentially be working over a network connection
:with high loss rates, making the magic port sequence delivery 
:infeasible
:
:-Administrators could potentially be working over network connections
:with unpredictable latency, making the sequence arrive in the incorrect
:order
:
:-there could be an unforeseen failure mode of the software which causes
:the port to fail to open, despite proper network transmission of the
:correct code.
:
:I really don't care if you want to implement this idea or not, but I'd
:urge you to consider these risks before you move forward.
:
:Kevin Way
:
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