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Date:      Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:26:26 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Ruslan Ermilov <ru@ucb.crimea.ua>
Cc:        FreeBSD Questions <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Mail delivery problems (was: Can anyone located near hub.FreeBSD.org PLEASE help me?)
Message-ID:  <19980729092626.B716@freebie.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <19980728131125.A783@ucb.crimea.ua>; from Ruslan Ermilov on Tue, Jul 28, 1998 at 01:11:25PM %2B0300
References:  <19980728131125.A783@ucb.crimea.ua>

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On Tuesday, 28 July 1998 at 13:11:25 +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have a problem receiving mail from hub.FreeBSD.org.
> All that mail goes thru my secondary MX (relay1.crimea.ua == spider.cris.net),
> which is three-hops away from me:
>
> traceroute to spider.cris.net (194.93.176.65), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
>  1  ferrix (194.93.177.116)  0.957 ms
>  2  Simferopol-GW-1.CRIS.NET (194.93.177.1)  137.948 ms
>  3  spider.cris.net (194.93.176.65)  132.561 ms
>
> Look at this:
>
> Received: from spider.cris.net (root@spider.cris.net [194.93.176.65])
>         by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00717
>         for <ru@ucb.crimea.ua>; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:46:58 +0300 (EEST)
>         (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG)
> Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18])
>         by spider.cris.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23796
>         for <ru@ucb.crimea.ua>; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:46:43 +0300 (EET DST)
> Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost)
>           by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA00610;
>           Tue, 28 Jul 1998 01:36:53 -0700 (PDT)
>           (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions)
>
> I have no such problems with other big-volume mailing lists.
> All they come directly from their servers to my primary MX host:
> relay.ucb.crimea.ua.

This is a feature, not a bug.  hub downloads mailing list mail only to
a number of distribution sites around the world.  For example, mine
comes from ns3.harborcom.net, sarip.sol.net or smyrno.sol.net.  It's
just a coincidence that the relay is your secondary MX.

I've just sent you a message as requested, directly from hub.  It went
to you directly:

Jul 28 16:47:53 hub sendmail[17284]: QAA17284: from=grog, size=5, class=0, pri=30005, nrcpts=1, msgid=<199807282347.QAA17284@hub.freebsd.org>, relay=grog@localhost
Jul 28 16:48:37 hub sendmail[17284]: QAA17284: to=ru@ucb.crimea.ua, ctladdr=grog (645/645), delay=00:00:45, xdelay=00:00:43, mailer=smtp8, relay=relay.ucb.crimea.ua. [194.93.177.113], stat=Sent (CAA06324 Message accepted for delivery)

This difference, incidentally, also accounts for why messages
addressed both to you and to the list can arrive at wildly different
times.

Greg
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