Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:49:11 -0800 From: "Chris H" <bsd-lists@BSDforge.com> To: "Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>" <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, <lidl@freebsd.org>, "John Baldwin" <jhb@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) Message-ID: <cd5d24bab0df89e2d23c34e172567ddd@udns.ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfp3OrC-GRUXvwCUb-gAW=d=EjTD2nihA31ME0rSwcgs4w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:16:49 -0700 "Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com> said > On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 9:38 AM, John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > >> On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 03:01:17 PM Kurt Lidl wrote: > >> > On 11/22/17 11:29 AM, Benno Rice wrote: > >> > > I would like people’s opinion on which of the following two paths we > >> should take: > >> > > > >> > > 1) Complete removal of fortune and freebsd-tips, remove its usage > >> from the default .login/.profile files. > >> > > > >> > > 2) Reworking fortune(6) to remove the offensive fortune flag and make > >> freebsd-tips the default, possibly by symlinking it as > >> /usr/share/games/fortune/fortunes. > >> > > >> > Of these options, only #2 is approximately correct. > >> > > >> > I think just leaving the code as-is, and symlinking the freebsd-tips to > >> > be the default fortune datafile is the correct course of action. > >> > > >> > Removing the offensive flag handling dictates policy towards users > >> > of the program. If someone wants to add their own offensive datafile > >> > to their system, the code ought to allow them to select it. > >> > >> Agreed. I think removing the default datfiles so that someone can > >> maintain > >> a port is fine, but we should leave freebsd-tips and the tool. When > >> the -o database was moved out of base we didn't remove the -o option, but > >> instead extended the tool to work with string files in /usr/local. The > >> current state is fine. The drama and lost time has always been about the > >> 4BSD datfiles, never about freebsd-tips or the tool itself, so the issue > >> is > >> resolved. > >> > > > > I like this plan. Let's call it consensus and implement. > > > > [[ stupid gmail UI -- hit send too soon ]] > > I call it "consensus" but know there's a number of folks on one end of the > spectrum that want it gone completely, and some on the other end that want > the datafile restored. And all sorts of opinions in between. Maybe "rough > consensus" in that it's about the "centroid" of the mass of opinions on the > topic, and a good argument can be made. > > I find the "freebsd-tips is useful and makes the system more friendly," > argument persuasive. I think it would help our brand and user experience to > have it there by default and it is very much the sort of thing that should > be in the base. Having the "fiunny" data files in a port and having the > tool in the base system is a reasonable compromise, though one that will be > revisited with pkg src in the future so if we get it wrong there's a > natural decision point not too far away. I like the way you proposed this, Warner. :) While I'm still *firmly* in the "keep the original dataset camp". I think your proposal seems like the least abrasive, or easiest to swallow. :) FWIW I think could probably live with this. Thanks, Warner. --Chris > > Warner
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