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Date:      Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:45:19 -0500 (CDT)
From:      Joe <joe@team7.cba.ualr.edu>
To:        Matt Curtin <cmcurtin@interhack.net>
Cc:        Andrew Johns <A_Johns@TurnAround.com.au>, Evan Brastow <ebrastow@automatedemblem.com>, Joe Konecny <jkonecn@green-mfg.com>, FreeBSD List <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: internet monitoring
Message-ID:  <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906292339531.967-100000@njal.ualr.edu>
In-Reply-To: <14201.39614.894204.317631@strangepork.interhack.net>

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On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Matt Curtin wrote:

> >>>>> On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:56:33 +1000,
>       "Andrew Johns" <A_Johns@TurnAround.com.au> said:
> 
> We're well off-topic now, but I can't think of a good place to have
> this conversation. :-)
> 

Yes there is, it's called freebsd-chat. Please move this thread there.

> Andrew> I'm being the devil's advocate here a bit, I might add..
> 
> Always useful to have one of those around... ;-)
> 
> Andrew> The personnel dept cannot enforce any disciplinary action
> Andrew> without evidence.
> 
> Neither can someone sue successfully without evidence.
> 
> Andrew> Assuming that you are the boss in a
> Andrew> company, how will you answer the lawyer that asks you what
> Andrew> evidence you have to backup your claim that the person you
> Andrew> fired was spending company time (your money) surfing
> Andrew> inappropriate sites?
> 
> You don't dismiss someone for looking at "naughty" sites.  Or reading
> cnn.com.  You might dismiss someone for being unproductive, in which
> case your evidence is the work that has been produced, or its
> absence.  You might also dismiss someone on the grounds that they have 
> been a source of sexual harassment, in which case the HR department,
> when dealing with the matter, would have a record of the events.
> 
> I advocate treating employees like people.  Like adults.  You explain
> what you expect from them, they explain what they expect of you.  If
> the two decide to work together, both must live up to the bargain.  If 
> one doesn't, the other says something about it.  If it's bad enough,
> you severl the relationship.  It's that simple.  It really is.
> 
> You are paying for your connection to the Internet in order to conduct
> business.  And you're paying for it during "off-hours", too, so why
> not let your employees use the tool for their own edification (maybe
> they're reading etexts, Usenet FAQs, etc.) or pleasure (so who cares
> if they're playing MUDs when they're not working?) if they like?
> 
> -- 
> Matt Curtin cmcurtin@interhack.net http://www.interhack.net/people/cmcurtin/
> 
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