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Date:      Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:06:01 +0100
From:      "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.org>
To:        freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Assuming We Want FreeBSD to Grow: Who Is It For? 
Message-ID:  <200502181606.j1IG61dQ010592@fire.jhs.private>
In-Reply-To: Message from Sander Vesik <sander.vesik@gmail.com>  <dcb2c27a0502171652717f5ffd@mail.gmail.com> 

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Sander Vesik wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:12:26 +0100, Julian H. Stacey <jhs@berklix.org> wrote:
> > Sander Vesik wrote:
> > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:33:22 +0100, Julian H. Stacey <jhs@berklix.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Much hot air on advocacy@ does not qualify.  Let's
> > > >         - Tell people to move to chat@freebsd.org.
> > > >         - Report offenders to postmaster@freebsd.org for blocking.
> > > >         - Request postmaster@freebsd.org appends to list definition:
> > > >             "Not for arguing about what FreeBSD is or where it should go."
> > > >           (developers on current@ etc, are unpaid, & advocacy@ people
> > > >           have no right to direct what FreeBSD is & will be.)
> > >
> > > I think its hould be slightly more openly worded - for example,
> > > discussions (i mean rational discussions with technical details) of
> > > what FreeBSD is may be in some warranted - consider for example
> > > producing materials to promote the use of FreeBSD in embedded systems
> > > or similar.
> > 
> > OK, fine. Could you (or someone else) please suggest exact words to
> > replace current http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy
> >         Furthering the Use of FreeBSD. Share ideas and plan to
> >         increase the number of companies and individuals using FreeBSD.
> > Once a number of us back a tighter list definition, we can send
> > it to postmaster@freebsd.org to request it be the official list definition.
> > .. & then use it to tell windy people to go to chat@ or be blocked off list.
> > Thanks
> 
> How about something along the lines of:
> 
>      Furthering the Use of FreeBSD. Share ideas and plan to increase
> the number of
>      companies and individuals using FreeBSD. Discussion of the
> technical, govrenance
>      or policy aspects of FreeBSD, its community and development
> should only happen
>      for clarifying said details for some document being written.
> 
> ? The wording probably needs some more polish though. 

If brief is beautiful :-)  ... Instead of current
	http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy
how about inserting:
	To promote FreeBSD by supporting external advocacy.
	Not for advocating change within FreeBSD, for which 
	use eg: `send-pr`, current@, www@, webmaster@, chat@.

If people could support that ?  It could limit the windy.

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Julian Stacey        Net & Sys Eng Consultant, Munich       http://berklix.com
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