Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:32:52 -0700 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> Cc: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>, Niclas Zeising <zeising@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, Stefan Blachmann <sblachmann@gmail.com>, FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>, Vladimir Kondratyev <vladimir@kondratyev.su> Subject: Re: What is evdev and autoloading? Message-ID: <CANCZdfrEWX9jJVHUkFNijGpk9ii1H9PsUHtq=nD4M%2BnZacpCrQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201902181611.x1IGBQMD005946@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <20190218155656.2mefeqixly6h25us@ivaldir.net> <201902181611.x1IGBQMD005946@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net>
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On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 07:12:24AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote: > > > > > On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev <vladimir@kondratyev.su> wrote: > > > > >> On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote: > > > > >>> Anyone have insight into what evdev is? > > > > >> evdev.ko is a small in-kernel library that makes all your input > events > > > > >> like keyboard presses libinput-compatible. > > > > > > > > > > And libinput was created by the Freedesktop Wayland team to create > > > > > pressure on OS people to make their systems Wayland-compatible. > > > > > > > > > >>> I do not need nor what these modules loaded. > > > > >> I think removing "option EVDEV_SUPPORT" from your kernel config > should > > > > >> disable most of evdev.ko dependencies > > > > > > > > > > Shouldn't the EVDEV_SUPPORT default be off on FreeBSD anyway, as > well > > > > > as libinput not be part of the standard packages? > > > > > > > > > > The Freedesktop Wayland team consists of people with the Kay > Sievers > > > > > mentality, which made Linus Torvalds ban his contributions. They do > > > > > not care about the bugs they introduce, forcing others to clean up > the > > > > > mess they create. > > > > > > > > > > I'd be glad if FreeBSD would keep clean of following that Wayland > fad... > > > > > > > > EVDEV_SUPPORT was enabled in GENERIC on 13 and 12-stable to improve > > > > input device handling in X and Wayland. Not having it means that a > lot > > > > of input devices stop working, or work much worse. > > > > > > > > We in the FreeBSD Graphics Team are working very hard to improve the > > > > FreeBSD Desktop experience, since it is an avenue to recruit new > users, > > > > and make current users use FreeBSD more. > > > > > > Sadly your execution on that seems to be missing the mark, > > > telling people they have to go get a port now to get drm working > > > because it could not be maintained in base, and then telling them, > > > oh, you need this new code in base so that it is so much easier > > > to use graphical stuff this way. > > > > > > These seem to be conflicting stories. > > > > > You are missing the point, one does not evolve as fast as the other, > meaning > > one can be maintained within usual freebsd lifecycle, the other cannot > or it > > becomes very painful. > > So to ditch our 5 years support model, kick the code out of the tree and > make the users suffer? The support model is suppose to be under review, > and IMHO, if kicking functional code out of the base system is to make > it possible to meet some support model we should defanitly take a very > close look at that issue. > > The code has simply gone from being in base to a few git repositories > which are probably going to rot every time a breaking ABI change occurs > and we wend up with un happy users, un happy developers and bugmisters > who have to close bogus bug reports. > > Have we really moved the state of the art forward by this action, simply > in the name of "we could not suppor that code?" > I don't know. I think the fact that drm2 doesn't support anything newer than 5-year-old hardware is a pretty convincing evidence that the old way is broken and doesn't work. Warner
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