Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:35:58 -0000 From: "Paul Robinson" <paul@iconoplex.co.uk> To: "Terry Lambert" <tlambert2@mindspring.com> Cc: <chat@freebsd.org> Subject: RE: Open source (was RE: Hi!Dear FreeBSD!) Message-ID: <IPEDKJGCDFHOPEFKLIDHOEKFCCAA.paul@iconoplex.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3E544D66.4065A126@mindspring.com>
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Everything I would say in response about the OS issues is summed up here: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2857&page=all I think this basically agrees with a lot of what you're saying, but you're mixing into the argument issues around programmer motivation that they aren't discussing here. I agree with pretty much everything you said on that. The issues around evolving code can be kind of summed up (or at least, it's a starting point), here: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/2/13/9212/42643 And I think both of these sum up what I would say in response to a lot of what you said, in condensed form. To be honest Terry, I know how I would respond in full but i think the best format for all that would be a book, and we don't have time. :-) In summary, I think we're in agreement on most of this. Except this: > Teenagers are brillinat examples of group conformance: "I want to > be different, just like everyone else!". 8-). What group you join > is dictated primarily by who tolerates your presence best. What group you join is dictated by who *you* tolerate the presence of best. What group you *remain in* is dictated secondarily by who tolerates your presence best, but primarily who you think you can tolerate the best on a long term basis. Sometimes people end up warping your values to fit in to remain in the group (nobody who starts to hang around with crack heads think they will become one themselves, unfortunately living in Manchester, UK, I can attest they are nearly always wrong), but ultimately you will stay in those groups who you prefer to hang around with. Put it this way, how many people do you know who were thrown out of the Boy Scouts for being too old but who wanted to stay in the Boy Scouts? How many left because they didn't want to do that stuff any more? Same thing. If you want to bring this back into a BSD-related thread, Theo didn't start OpenBSD because he had no choice: he couldn't tolerate NetBSD core anymore, and they couldn't tolerate him. Now, if you want to be a commiter to OpenBSD you have to understand the fact that Theo is in charge. If you can tolerate that, you'll be fine. If you can't, chances are you'll head over to Net- or Free- instead. If Free- throw you out, you know you can still hang around. It's not about what the group tolerates. It's what you tolerate. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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