Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 04:17:51 -0400 From: "George Ramos" <george@durham.net> To: "'Alain Parsons'" <aparsons@abacom.com> Cc: <ispchat@bell.ca>, <julie.taylor@bell.ca>, <julie.allain@bell.ca>, <marc.morin@bell.ca>, <mike.gosselin@bell.ca>, <joanne.page@bell.ca>, <sherwood.flemming@bell.ca>, <leslie.williams@bell.ca>, <ken.white@bell.ca>, <sheila.ward@bell.ca>, <j.steele@bell.ca>, <anita.archambault@bell.ca>, <f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca>, <joelle.picard@bell.ca>, <stephanie.riley@bell.ca>, <diane.cincar@bell.ca>, <list@iip.ca>, <freebsd-isp@freebsd.org>, <caip-members@caip.ca> Subject: RE: Competitor's PRI pricing and stuff that maybe you should all know about or already do.....? Rumors about Bell Xpress View way bills, ADSL pricing, etc. Message-ID: <001801c206e9$5428c5a0$20fea8c0@ddd> In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10205291724470.8518-100000@kahlua.abacom.com>
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Hi Alain, thank you. I am sure that the folks at Bell ( the guys and gals like you and I) that go to work everyday to make a living and with whom we all work day and day out can only want what's best for us (after all, we are as a group a HUGE customer) and we all kinda got to know each other. That is the reason why after some thinking I decided to just throw this in the middle and see if there is any hope of having Bell actually work with us and their own staff.... -----Original Message----- From: Alain Parsons [mailto:aparsons@abacom.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:34 PM To: George Ramos Cc: ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca; marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca; sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca; sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca; f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca; stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; caip-members@caip.ca Subject: Re: Competitor's PRI pricing and stuff that maybe you should all know about or already do.....? Rumors about Bell Xpress View way bills, ADSL pricing, etc. Hello all, I think the reason is that Bell can't realy cut the prices until they have lost a % to the competitors. This was ordered by the CRTC to promote local competition. I guess Bell has spent so much time telling the CRTC that the price had to go up for many reasons over the years that the CRTC told Bell to keep on selling at that price now that some competition exists. I have been told that Bell has to loose something like 30% of the market before that are able to cut the prices and tell their clients that they have been over charging them for years, no? >From what i was told by my Bell Rep, thay realy can't cut the price untill the CTRC approves such a price cut. I to have been paying over 300K per year to Bell and will cut my bill by half next year by switching. I understand your reaction. BTW, 3 Year: $425.00/Month and No Install is a very goor price. Is this In CO or at your location. A guy in Quegec got 368$ per month per PRI from Videotron having close to 50 PRIs. Quite the deal! But Bell can sell you ADSL under cost at home! Have a nice day. On Wed, 29 May 2002, George Ramos wrote: > Hello all: > > I have taken the liberty of making available to you the following > competitor's rates for PRI's. > I wonder if anyone can comment in terms of why are Bell's PRI's so much more > per month particularly for long term, multi services customers.(I'm > referring to customers who have, and still do, spent thousands of dollars > per month for the last 7 years)(such as my company) > I say this with all due respect for all here with whom I have worked many > times in the past, however, it doesn't take away from the fact that there is > a SUBSTANTIAL difference in price and I wonder just how does Bell justify > that..... > Also please note that their installation charge is cut by half on a 2 year > contract and WAIVED on a 3 year contract (something which Bell has never > been willing to negotiate) (I have always been told that this installation > fee cannot be changed, discounted or waived in any way shape or form because > it's tariffed).... > Aside from that, I will also take the liberty to (in general) let you know > that some of us (independent ISP's) are VERY concerned about Bell's > practices where it involves high speed Internet. It seems as if from the > very beginning, Bell is pricing their ADSL retail services at levels which > seem to be designed to eliminate? competition. I am certainly not pointing > any fingers here (I can't afford the lawsuits) but I would think that you > are all aware of several matters who have (or still are) in front of the > CRTC. Anyways, I'm not trying to get into the legalities of this, I guess > what I am trying to do is to make you (the group of people who help us, > support us, and with whom we work day in and day out)aware of the fact that > a number of us (Independent ISP's) are loosing customers every day to Bell > because we just can't compete with such ridiculous low rates, giveaways, > etc. > It would almost make one think about what it is that you guys are going to > be doing when there is no more ISP's to support....... > > Lastly, I have included in this list the two ISP's lists that I belong to > because I thought that maybe it's time for everyone to start talking, let's > face it, we don't want to be out of business anymore than you guys want to > be out of a job so perhaps we can start discussing some of the realities of > our everyday working lives. > > I would like to point out that I speak for myself and not for anyone else > and that my comments and/or questions are not of a malicious nature, I am > just concerned about the fact that it seems to me there are a number of > things which are not as crystal clear as we all expect them to be from an > organization as respected as Bell. It also seems to me as if Bell is very > aggresively going after the business from which I put food on my family's > table, and it seems to me that somehow I have no real means of competing in > any kind of fair, levelled playing field..... > > Any comments will be greatly appreciated. > > > Best regards to you all. I look forward to continue doing business with all > of you for as long as I have customers left. > > > George Ramos > Durham Net Inc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are the Terms and conditions from one of your competitors: > > > > > > > > 1 Year: $510.00/Month and $700.00 Install. > > > > 2 Year: $465.00/Month and $350.00 Install. > > > > 3 Year: $425.00/Month and No Install. > > > > > Services Internet ABACOM Alain Parsons(Ventes-Sales) sales@abacom.com Tel:+1 819 820 2929 Ext:223 Fax:+1 819 820 8866 http://www.abacom.com http://www.hautevitesse.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message
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