Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:20:56 -0400 From: "Michael Roberts" <tpen0010@hotmail.com> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: bfe0 with/without acpi -- "watchdog timeout" error Message-ID: <Sea1-F659WFHpwSPE0u0004e968@hotmail.com>
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hi, i've run into a problem with -current, which wasn't there with 5.2 stable. when i boot the system with acpi enabled, the bfe0 ethernet device loads up and works for a short period of time, after which it gives the error "watchdog timeout -- resetting". after scanning the mailing lists, i saw that other people had had problems with acpi.. but for me, disabling acpi is what works. with acpi disabled, bfe0 does not reset, and i can use the interface just fine (sic i am able to send this message... :) so -- what do i do to get both acpi and bfe0 running at the same time? i've attached my dmesg's -- with and without acpi enabled. also, uname. thanks for any help. mike ps. otherwise freebsd is working perfectly on my inspiron 8600! there were a few things i had to play with to get the soundcard, wireless, videocard, etc., working, but it wasn't so bad. if someone wants me to write a mini howto, i'd be glad. ~# uname -a FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #0: Mon Jun 14 15:07:00 EDT 2004 root:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/POPTKERNEL i386 DMESG WITH ACPI Copyright (c) 1992-2004 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #0: Mon Jun 14 15:07:00 EDT 2004 root@trace.cable.rcn.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/POPTKERNEL Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0xc0c69000. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_driver.ko" at 0xc0c691cc. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_vibes.ko" at 0xc0c6927c. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_pcm.ko" at 0xc0c6932c. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_via82c686.ko" at 0xc0c693d8. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_via8233.ko" at 0xc0c6948c. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_t4dwave.ko" at 0xc0c6953c. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_solo.ko" at 0xc0c695ec. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_sbc.ko" at 0xc0c6969c. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_sb16.ko" at 0xc0c69748. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_sb8.ko" at 0xc0c697f8. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_neomagic.ko" at 0xc0c698a4. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_mss.ko" at 0xc0c69958. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_maestro3.ko" at 0xc0c69a04. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_maestro.ko" at 0xc0c69ab8. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_ich.ko" at 0xc0c69b68. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_fm801.ko" at 0xc0c69c14. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_ess.ko" at 0xc0c69cc4. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_es137x.ko" at 0xc0c69d70. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_emu10k1.ko" at 0xc0c69e20. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_ds1.ko" at 0xc0c69ed0. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_csa.ko" at 0xc0c69f7c. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_cs4281.ko" at 0xc0c6a028. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_cmi.ko" at 0xc0c6a0d8. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_als4000.ko" at 0xc0c6a184. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_ad1816.ko" at 0xc0c6a234. Preloaded elf module "/boot/modules/nvidia.ko" at 0xc0c6a2e4. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/linux.ko" at 0xc0c6a390. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/acpi.ko" at 0xc0c6a43c. Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz (1993.54-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x6d6 Stepping = 6 Features=0xafe9f9bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,C LFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,TM,PBE> real memory = 536535040 (511 MB) avail memory = 511053824 (487 MB) random: <entropy source, Software, Yarrow> Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled npx0: [FAST] npx0: <math processor> on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface acpi0: <DELL CPi R > on motherboard acpi0: [GIANT-LOCKED] pcibios: BIOS version 2.10 Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 cpu0: <ACPI CPU (4 Cx states)> port 0x530-0x537 on acpi0 acpi_tz0: <Thermal Zone> port 0x530-0x537 on acpi0 acpi_acad0: <AC Adapter> on acpi0 acpi_cmbat0: <Control Method Battery> on acpi0 acpi_cmbat1: <Control Method Battery> on acpi0 acpi_lid0: <Control Method Lid Switch> on acpi0 acpi_button0: <Power Button> on acpi0 acpi_button1: <Sleep Button> on acpi0 pcib0: <ACPI Host-PCI bridge> port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib0 pcib0: slot 29 INTA is routed to irq 11 pcib0: slot 29 INTB is routed to irq 10 pcib0: slot 29 INTC is routed to irq 10 pcib0: slot 29 INTD is routed to irq 5 pcib0: slot 31 INTB is routed to irq 5 pcib0: slot 31 INTB is routed to irq 5 agp0: <Intel 82855 host to AGP bridge> mem 0xe0000000-0xe7ffffff at device 0.0 o n pci0 pcib1: <ACPI PCI-PCI bridge> at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib1 pcib1: slot 0 INTA is routed to irq 11 nvidia0: <GeForce FX Go5200> mem 0xd0000000-0xdfffffff,0xfc000000-0xfcffffff irq 11 at device 0.0 on pci1 nvidia0: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci0: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-A> port 0xbf80-0xbf9f irq 11 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-A> on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-B> port 0xbf40-0xbf5f irq 10 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-B> on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-C> port 0xbf20-0xbf3f irq 10 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb2: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-C> on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: <serial bus, USB> at device 29.7 (no driver attached) pcib2: <ACPI PCI-PCI bridge> at device 30.0 on pci0 pci2: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib2 pcib2: slot 0 INTA is routed to irq 10 pcib2: slot 1 INTA is routed to irq 10 pcib2: slot 3 INTA is routed to irq 5 bfe0: <Broadcom BCM4401 Fast Ethernet> mem 0xfaffe000-0xfaffffff irq 10 at devic e 0.0 on pci2 miibus0: <MII bus> on bfe0 bmtphy0: <BCM4401 10/100baseTX PHY> on miibus0 bmtphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto bfe0: Ethernet address: 00:0f:1f:15:e6:b5 bfe0: [GIANT-LOCKED] cbb0: <TI4510 PCI-CardBus Bridge> at device 1.0 on pci2 cardbus0: <CardBus bus> on cbb0 pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0 pcib2: slot 1 INTA is routed to irq 10 fwohci0: vendor=104c, dev=8029 fwohci0: <1394 Open Host Controller Interface> mem 0xfaff8000-0xfaffbfff,0xfaffd 800-0xfaffdfff irq 10 at device 1.1 on pci2 fwohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=0) fwohci0: No. of Isochronous channels is 4. fwohci0: EUI64 32:4f:c0:00:34:ec:78:81 fwohci0: Phy 1394a available S400, 2 ports. fwohci0: Link S400, max_rec 2048 bytes. firewire0: <IEEE1394(FireWire) bus> on fwohci0 fwe0: <Ethernet over FireWire> on firewire0 if_fwe0: Fake Ethernet address: 32:4f:c0:ec:78:81 fwe0: Ethernet address: 32:4f:c0:ec:78:81 sbp0: <SBP-2/SCSI over FireWire> on firewire0 fwohci0: Initiate bus reset fwohci0: node_id=0xc800ffc0, gen=1, CYCLEMASTER mode firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0, cable IRM = 0 (me) firewire0: bus manager 0 (me) pci2: <network> at device 3.0 (no driver attached) isab0: <PCI-ISA bridge> at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0 atapci0: <Intel ICH4 UDMA100 controller> port 0xbfa0-0xbfaf,0x376,0x170-0x177,0x 3f6,0x1f0-0x1f7 at device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pcm0: <Intel ICH4 (82801DB)> port 0xbc40-0xbc7f,0xb800-0xb8ff mem 0xf4fff400-0xf 4fff4ff,0xf4fff800-0xf4fff9ff irq 5 at device 31.5 on pci0 pcm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] pcm0: <SigmaTel STAC9750/51 AC97 Codec> pci0: <simple comms> at device 31.6 (no driver attached) atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> port 0x64,0x60 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: <PS/2 Mouse> irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: model GlidePoint, device ID 0 orm0: <Option ROMs> at iomem 0xcf800-0xcffff,0xc0000-0xcf7ff on isa0 pmtimer0 on isa0 fdc0: ready for input in output fdc0: cmd 3 failed at out byte 1 of 3 ppc0: parallel port not found. sc0: <System console> at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 8250 or not responding sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1993541593 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec acpi_cpu: throttling enabled, 8 steps (100% to 12.5%), currently 100.0% cpu0: Performance states changed ad0: 57231MB <TOSHIBA MK6021GAS> [116280/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100 acd0: CDRW <_NEC DVD+RW ND-6100A> at ata1-master UDMA33 cd0 at ata1 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 cd0: <_NEC DVD+RW ND-6100A 104D> Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 33.000MB/s transfers cd0: cd present [134358 x 2048 byte records] Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s4a Warning: pid 634 used static ldt allocation. See the i386_set_ldt man page for more info bfe0: watchdog timeout -- resetting bfe0: watchdog timeout -- resetting bfe0: watchdog timeout -- resetting bfe0: watchdog timeout -- resetting DMESG WITHOUT ACPI Copyright (c) 1992-2004 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #0: Mon Jun 14 15:07:00 EDT 2004 root@trace.cable.rcn.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/POPTKERNEL Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0xc0c1c000. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_driver.ko" at 0xc0c1c1cc. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_vibes.ko" at 0xc0c1c27c. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_pcm.ko" at 0xc0c1c32c. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_via82c686.ko" at 0xc0c1c3d8. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_via8233.ko" at 0xc0c1c48c. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_t4dwave.ko" at 0xc0c1c53c. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_solo.ko" at 0xc0c1c5ec. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_sbc.ko" at 0xc0c1c69c. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_sb16.ko" at 0xc0c1c748. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_sb8.ko" at 0xc0c1c7f8. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_neomagic.ko" at 0xc0c1c8a4. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_mss.ko" at 0xc0c1c958. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_maestro3.ko" at 0xc0c1ca04. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_maestro.ko" at 0xc0c1cab8. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_ich.ko" at 0xc0c1cb68. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_fm801.ko" at 0xc0c1cc14. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_ess.ko" at 0xc0c1ccc4. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_es137x.ko" at 0xc0c1cd70. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_emu10k1.ko" at 0xc0c1ce20. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_ds1.ko" at 0xc0c1ced0. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_csa.ko" at 0xc0c1cf7c. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_cs4281.ko" at 0xc0c1d028. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_cmi.ko" at 0xc0c1d0d8. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_als4000.ko" at 0xc0c1d184. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/snd_ad1816.ko" at 0xc0c1d234. Preloaded elf module "/boot/modules/nvidia.ko" at 0xc0c1d2e4. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/linux.ko" at 0xc0c1d390. Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz (1993.54-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x6d6 Stepping = 6 Features=0xafe9f9bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,C LFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,TM,PBE> real memory = 536535040 (511 MB) avail memory = 511062016 (487 MB) random: <entropy source, Software, Yarrow> Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled npx0: [FAST] npx0: <math processor> on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcibios: BIOS version 2.10 pcib0: <Host to PCI bridge> at pcibus 0 on motherboard pir0: <PCI Interrupt Routing Table: 9 Entries> on motherboard $PIR: BIOS IRQ 11 for 0.29.INTB is not valid for link 0x63 $PIR: BIOS IRQ 11 for 2.1.INTA is not valid for link 0x63 pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0 $PIR: 0:29 INTA routed to irq 11 $PIR: 0:29 INTC routed to irq 11 $PIR: 0:29 INTD routed to irq 11 $PIR: 0:31 INTB routed to irq 11 $PIR: 0:31 INTB routed to irq 11 agp0: <Intel 82855 host to AGP bridge> mem 0xe0000000-0xe7ffffff at device 0.0 o n pci0 pcib1: <PCIBIOS PCI-PCI bridge> at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: <PCI bus> on pcib1 $PIR: 1:0 INTA routed to irq 11 nvidia0: <GeForce FX Go5200> mem 0xd0000000-0xdfffffff,0xfc000000-0xfcffffff irq 11 at device 0.0 on pci1 nvidia0: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci0: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-A> port 0xbf80-0xbf9f irq 11 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-A> on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-B> port 0xbf40-0xbf5f irq 11 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-B> on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-C> port 0xbf20-0xbf3f irq 11 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb2: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-C> on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: <serial bus, USB> at device 29.7 (no driver attached) pcib2: <PCIBIOS PCI-PCI bridge> at device 30.0 on pci0 pci2: <PCI bus> on pcib2 $PIR: 2:0 INTA routed to irq 11 $PIR: 2:3 INTA routed to irq 11 bfe0: <Broadcom BCM4401 Fast Ethernet> mem 0xfaffe000-0xfaffffff irq 11 at devic e 0.0 on pci2 miibus0: <MII bus> on bfe0 bmtphy0: <BCM4401 10/100baseTX PHY> on miibus0 bmtphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto bfe0: Ethernet address: 00:0f:1f:15:e6:b5 bfe0: [GIANT-LOCKED] cbb0: <TI4510 PCI-CardBus Bridge> irq 11 at device 1.0 on pci2 cardbus0: <CardBus bus> on cbb0 pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0 fwohci0: vendor=104c, dev=8029 fwohci0: <1394 Open Host Controller Interface> mem 0xfaff8000-0xfaffbfff,0xfaffd 800-0xfaffdfff irq 11 at device 1.1 on pci2 fwohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=0) fwohci0: No. of Isochronous channels is 4. fwohci0: EUI64 32:4f:c0:00:34:ec:78:81 fwohci0: Phy 1394a available S400, 2 ports. fwohci0: Link S400, max_rec 2048 bytes. firewire0: <IEEE1394(FireWire) bus> on fwohci0 fwe0: <Ethernet over FireWire> on firewire0 if_fwe0: Fake Ethernet address: 32:4f:c0:ec:78:81 fwe0: Ethernet address: 32:4f:c0:ec:78:81 sbp0: <SBP-2/SCSI over FireWire> on firewire0 fwohci0: Initiate bus reset fwohci0: node_id=0xc800ffc0, gen=1, CYCLEMASTER mode firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0, cable IRM = 0 (me) firewire0: bus manager 0 (me) pci2: <network> at device 3.0 (no driver attached) isab0: <PCI-ISA bridge> at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0 atapci0: <Intel ICH4 UDMA100 controller> port 0xbfa0-0xbfaf,0x376,0x170-0x177,0x 3f6,0x1f0-0x1f7 at device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pcm0: <Intel ICH4 (82801DB)> port 0xbc40-0xbc7f,0xb800-0xb8ff mem 0xf4fff400-0xf 4fff4ff,0xf4fff800-0xf4fff9ff irq 11 at device 31.5 on pci0 pcm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] pcm0: <SigmaTel STAC9750/51 AC97 Codec> pci0: <simple comms> at device 31.6 (no driver attached) cpu0 on motherboard orm0: <Option ROMs> at iomem 0xcf800-0xcffff,0xc0000-0xcf7ff on isa0 pmtimer0 on isa0 atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> at port 0x64,0x60 on isa0 atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: <PS/2 Mouse> irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: model GlidePoint, device ID 0 fdc0: ready for input in output fdc0: cmd 3 failed at out byte 1 of 3 ppc0: parallel port not found. sc0: <System console> at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 8250 or not responding sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 unknown: <PNP0303> can't assign resources (port) unknown: <PNP0f13> can't assign resources (irq) ppc1: parallel port not found. Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1993538047 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec ad0: 57231MB <TOSHIBA MK6021GAS> [116280/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100 acd0: CDRW <_NEC DVD+RW ND-6100A> at ata1-master UDMA33 cd0 at ata1 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 cd0: <_NEC DVD+RW ND-6100A 104D> Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 33.000MB/s transfers cd0: cd present [134358 x 2048 byte records] Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s4a _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/
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