Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:18:37 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net> To: David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com> Cc: Jonathan Lemon <jlemon@flugsvamp.com>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: kqueue microbenchmark results Message-ID: <20001025161837.D28123@fw.wintelcom.net> In-Reply-To: <NCBBLIEPOCNJOAEKBEAKCEOPLHAA.davids@webmaster.com>; from davids@webmaster.com on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 03:34:08PM -0700 References: <20001025172702.B89038@prism.flugsvamp.com> <NCBBLIEPOCNJOAEKBEAKCEOPLHAA.davids@webmaster.com>
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* David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com> [001025 15:35] wrote:
>
> If a programmer does not ever wish to block under any circumstances, it's
> his obligation to communicate this desire to the implementation. Otherwise,
> the implementation can block if it doesn't have data or an error available
> at the instant 'read' is called, regardless of what it may have known or
> done in the past. It's also just generally good programming practice. There
> was a time when many operating systems had bugs that caused 'select loop'
> type applications to hang if they didn't set all their descriptors
> non-blocking.
Yes, and as you mentioned, it was _bugs_ in the operating system
that did this.
I don't think it's wise to continue speculating on this issue unless
you can point to a specific document that says that it's OK for
this type of behavior to happen.
Let's take a look at the FreeBSD manpage for poll:
POLLIN Data other than high priority data may be read without
blocking.
ok no one bothers to do *BSD compat anymore (*grumble*),
so, Solaris:
POLLIN Data other than high priority data may be read
without blocking. For STREAMS, this flag is set in
revents even if the message is of zero length.
I see a trend here, let's try Linux:
#define POLLIN 0x0001 /* There is data to read */
This seems to imply that it is one hell of a bug to block, returning
an error would be acceptable, but surely not blocking.
I know manpages are a poor source for references but you're the one
putting up a big fight for blocking behavior from poll, perhaps you
can point out a standard that contradicts the manpages?
--
-Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org]
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