Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:10:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "Paul T. Root" <proot@iaces.com> To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Cc: david@cql.com (David Kurtzberg), CKimmerl@SARCOM.COM, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "easy installation"!!!!! yeah right Message-ID: <199910271410.JAA27809@iaces.com> In-Reply-To: <19991026221017.39497@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> from "Greg Lehey" at Oct 26, 1999 10:10:17 PM
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In a previous message, Greg Lehey said:
>
> On Monday, 25 October 1999 at 16:47:23 -0700, David Kurtzberg wrote:
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> > On Monday, October 25, 1999 8:31 AM, CKimmerl@SARCOM.COM wrote:
> >> You people are so far into this stuff that you don't know what
> >> "easy" means anymore. I tried to install FreeBSD 3.3 last night.
>
> FWIW, my first UNIX installation (about 9 years ago) took a week. The
> release was Interactive UNIX/386 version 2.2, a port of System V.3.2.
> I only had the manufacturer's documentation to help me, and it was
> painful. I wasn't exactly an inexperienced newbie at the time, but
> somehow I wasn't surprised. Times have changed; CKimmerl was
> obviously out for instant gratification, and when he didn't get it, it
> was obviously our fault.
My first Unix install would have been back in '86 on a Sun 160C with
SunOS 3.5. You had to pre-partition the disk (/ and swap), dd the OS
from tape into the swap area and boot from it.
At the time I was a DOS "power user" and had taken 1 2 day class in unix
(using cat, ls and vi, etc). And you know, I didn't think that it was
too hard. I messed up and only used one disk. But figured out how to
add the second disk as user space and move stuff around.
> But maybe it *is* our fault to a certain extent. Just like I blame
> Microsoft for building a crappy "operating system" which crashes all
> the time and drags a Pentium III/450 down to the performance levels
> FreeBSD gets out of a 486/66, we should look at the ease of
> installation we offer. Sure, it's much better than 10 years ago, but
> Microsoft is also better than it was 10 years ago.
Sure, it's not as easy as Microsoft, but you can get it to work. I've
got an old Dec PC with a 66Mhz with a funny SCSI setup. We had NT on
it for a test network. When I updated the BIOS for Y2K, NT went south
requiring a reinstall. NT install diskettes can't see the disk. What
a bunch of <deleted>. I'm about to ask my boss to buy me a brand new
PC just so NT can "run". I also have an identical one that 3.2 and 3.3
went on effortlessly.
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