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Date:      Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:06:38 -0500 (CDT)
From:      Larry Rosenman <ler@lerctr.org>
To:        Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
Cc:        Larry Rosenman <ler@lerctr.org>, Greg Work <Greg@fatcanary.com.au>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: AMD K6-2 / 550
Message-ID:  <200007020306.e6236cG12081@lerami.lerctr.org>
In-Reply-To: <20000702122418.W18213@wantadilla.lemis.com> "from Greg Lehey at Jul 2, 2000 12:24:18 pm"

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> On Saturday,  1 July 2000 at 21:37:33 -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote:
> >> On Saturday,  1 July 2000 at 21:21:56 -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote:
> >>> (mutilated description of hardware-related problems with AMD K6-2 deleted)
> >>> hmm....
> >>> I can't (the AMD K6-2 is back at the computer store), as
> >>> I said, that computer now has an Intel P-III 600E in it :-).
> >>>
> >>> The tech's at IMS did say that AMD did admit to "some problem" with
> >>> the K6-2's, so I'm not sure that an earlier FreeBSD will help...
> >>
> >> There have been "some problems" with all processors.  Without any
> >> more accurate description, this statement doesn't help.
> >
> > Let's put it this way, I've posted a NUMBER of items to the -stable
> > list over the last 2-4 weeks as I've fought this one.  I can't get a
> > CPU/BIOS/MB with a K6-2/550 on it to SUCCESSFULLY/RELIABLY make
> > world.
> >
> > I'm tired of fighting it.
> >
> > The *SAME MEMORY STICK* runs just fine on this Shuttle AV61
> > motherboard with Intel P-III 600E CPU.
> 
> This suggests that the problem was either the motherboard, the
> processor or the BIOS settings.
ALL BIOS SETTINGS were tried (Including resetting to the most conservative
BIOS SETUP DEFAULTS). 


> 
> > I can't get a more accurate description from the techs.
> >
> > if you want to trouble shoot it, be my guest, but I can't give any more
> > time to it.
> 
> Nor I.  But that doesn't make your assessment correct.
I was quoting a tech at IMS computers in Carrollton, TX quoting 
an AMD rep at a tech forum they had.   THIS IS AN EXACT QUOTE. 
> 
> > I've played with ALL the BIOS settings on both a HOT-591/P and a
> > HOT-597 Shuttle board with the K6-2/550, and also TONS of Kernel
> > settings, nothing gets a successful repeatable MAKE WORLD.
> 
> It could still be the motherboard, or the specific processor.
Multiple Processors and MB's were tried. 
> 
> > Therefore I went, reluctantly, and at a $200 cost, back to Intel.
> >
> > I resent your comment that it's memory or processor (read the
> > threads I've posted recently).
> 
> Your prerogative.  I'm not trying to make black white or any such
> thing, but it seems that you haven't been very thorough in your
> analysis.  That in itself isn't an issue, but under the circumstances
> I can't see why you blame one component over another.  Lots of people
> are running all kinds of AMD processors, the same speed, slower and
> faster, and most of them work fine.
Sorry, I can't say I've not been thorough.  I've posted my steps, and this 
is the first time you've jumped in. 

I was hoping for some ideas to try. 

Obviously, I'm NOT the only one with issues. 

I thought a couple of different times that we had nailed it, but was proven
wrong later. 

At this point I give up, and will stay with Intel chips. 

I'd like to know what combination is eventually found to get 
an AMD K6-2/550 to work, but the box here is now Intel. 


> 
> Greg
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