Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 00:02:41 -0500 From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" <jeff-ml@mountin.net> To: John Polstra <jdp@polstra.com>, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup minor port problem today Message-ID: <4.3.2.20010601232555.01a757f0@207.227.119.2> In-Reply-To: <200105292010.f4TKAI423356@vashon.polstra.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010529054622.00a02110@jeff.isni.net> <3B1327DC.14080.5CA955C@localhost> <3B1327DC.14080.5CA955C@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20010529054622.00a02110@jeff.isni.net>
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At 01:10 PM 5/29/01 -0700, John Polstra wrote: >I spent a couple of years regularly ragging on people to check the >archives. Guess what? It doesn't work and it's a waste of time. >It just makes us all look like a bunch of grumps. (Not to mention >that the search engine isn't working too well these days.) If these >repeats are annoying you, then your best bet is to filter them >locally or ignore them some other way. Leave it to those who are >willing (like Peter Pentchev, David Chapman, and me) to answer these >questions. Really, sometimes you just have to accept reality and face >the fact that your ideal world is unachievable. There are people who >will check the archives and there are people who won't in a million >years. And there are people who check the archives but don't find >what they were looking for. Get over it and learn to ignore the >messages that annoy you. How about then at least pointing out that the -stable list isn't for port specific questions. Now I suppose I could come up with figures and such to back my point, but subjectively see an increase in such things and this CVSup issue makes it clear that most come here rather than on the ports list and the worst part is few every point out the fact a question would be more appropriate on another list. I am NOT saying that one shouldn't help anyone, but at least point out where such things belong. As you say it is not an ideal world, but could also point out that people were tracking stuff and at the minimum skimming the mail then would already have known about this and other issues. More so when they get such exposure. If the S/N ratio keeps degrading, then this list will become less and less useful. Still trying to figure out what the "Digital Camera" thread had to do with tracking -stable. One -core member did mention where the question belonged and other add his .02, so much for a consistent policy the coincides with the charter. Perhaps I should keep track, problem is the list is growing faster and that takes time better spent elsewhere, and present my case in the hopes this list will settle down a bit. Of course that is an ideal world problem again and given that most are too lazy to figure things out for themselves or pay attention. From another viewpoint it might be that in trying to be more friendly to new users the trade off is the list and others that are supposed to have a more specific focus will just have to go to $hit and that is that. All I'd ask for is those that have been around here a while to show a bit of leadership and try to improve the quality of this list and others. Hardly expect nothing off-topic to ever come up, but would hope it doesn't turn into a long discussion on photography, the legal ramifications of various licensing methods, why some video card isn't supported, and what's the best software for blah and why the port of it doesn't compile. Answer the question, so as John say here we don't look like a bunch of grumps, but point out where they belong, so you don't encourage others with less restraint. This is a request to members of this list and not a subject for discussion really. As this is a new month, think I might just try and track messages and bring this up with core. thanks Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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