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Date:      Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:18:25 -0700
From:      "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Warner Losh <imp@harmony.village.org>
Cc:        John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, kris@obsecurity.org, Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org>
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/sys ioccom.h
Message-ID:  <20020409141825.E36893@dragon.nuxi.com>
In-Reply-To: <200204092056.g39KuCc31597@harmony.village.org>; from imp@harmony.village.org on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:56:12PM -0600
References:  <XFMail.20020409162720.jhb@FreeBSD.org> <200204092056.g39KuCc31597@harmony.village.org>

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On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:56:12PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> I now have a good "why" for David's change, and am happy with it if he
> wants to make it.  I would have never in a million years thought that
...
> variations on this theme, I feel like I'm holding back the tide by
> insisting on the int (ioctl) version.

Now that the situation is fully understood; I also can go either way.


> This makes me uneasy and seems a high price to pay just to have X11
> compile.  It was a good idea, but one which I don't think is in line
> with common practice to justify the pain to our users.

Yes.  Yesterday it was feeling like 5.0 was becoming Linux in which we
are making all kinds of changes from the tradition Unix way.  Thus we
are becoming a weird eccentric platform to develop for.  Vs. that we used
to be very easy to develop for because we were BSD and people know(knew)
what to expect from BSD thru its long lineage.

JHB:
> Argh!  Ok.  I guess we should fix the misbehaving ports like X that try
> to define a ioctl macro instead.

That was my opinion and why I made the commit I did.

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