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Date:      Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:33:45 -0400
From:      Peter Radcliffe <pir@pir.net>
To:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: I'll be rolling a 4.1.1 release on September 25th
Message-ID:  <20000916233345.G2124@pir.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0009161813160.61017-100000@freefall.freebsd.org>; from kris@FreeBSD.org on Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 06:19:08PM -0700
References:  <20000916205417.F2124@pir.net> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0009161813160.61017-100000@freefall.freebsd.org>

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Kris Kennaway <kris@FreeBSD.org> probably said:
> My point was that you need to either ask one of the committers directly,
> or ask in a forum where the committerss hang out. Thats not -stable -
> there are only a few of us here, so asking here is almost akin to asking
> in a vacuum.

Ok, some partly useful information.

However, I don't know who the committers are, or where they hang out.

> >  5) I know how the system works, but it requires someone to commit
> >     the patches and no one will.
> Works for you..they have to go through -current first in case they break

I was talking about the committing system, not my computer system.  I
know how the committing system is supposed to work and it going
through -current first.

I'm not a raving newbie, please don't treat me like one.

> Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
> Mail-Followup-To: stable@freebsd.org

So your MTA should take one or the other, not both. 

> > My question still stands, can these patches get in, somewhere ?
> You're still talking to the wrong list.

You're still not giving me any information on which list to talk to or
what else to do.

I don't run -current, so I don't read freebsd-current. I run -stable.

Around the 2.1.* era I spent time working on things, this problem is
one of the reasons why I never bother developing or tracking down
problems that don't directly impact me - even if I do, that
information can sit in a PR for years and never be touched.

Once something is in a PR, that needs to be looked at by someone with
the ability to say "yes, this is good and should be committed to
current" or "this needs some work or could be done better" or "this
isn't appropriate".  This often doesn't happen (even allowing for the
volunteer nature of the project) and IMO is impacting the project
negatively.

P.

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pir                  pir@pir.net                    pir@net.tufts.edu



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