Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 22:31:24 +0200 From: Guido Falsi <madpilot@FreeBSD.org> To: George Mitchell <george+freebsd@m5p.com>, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dns/bind916 builds rust unexpectedly Message-ID: <10b90044-0588-0074-c14a-5d1d0cb48f9f@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <11aede54-89d0-9b46-28f8-1931571b8917@m5p.com> References: <ZRGiDj-esOAc9K_Z@lordcow.org> <1e05be67-cb15-964e-c78b-e74e714257a9@FreeBSD.org> <11aede54-89d0-9b46-28f8-1931571b8917@m5p.com>
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On 25/09/23 22:21, George Mitchell wrote: > On 9/25/23 11:38, Guido Falsi wrote: >> [...] >> There is a more general aspect to this. In the rest of the unix world >> software is now almost universally build using CI systems and >> buildboxes, people use binary packages almost all the time in linux. >> Developers don't care to keep low overhead in their builds and with >> dependency. The ports tree cannot mitigate this external pressure. >> >> Anyway building from ports on live machines has always been bad >> practice for a lot of reasons. >> [...] > And yet it mostly works for some of us. I'd be overjoyed to sign up > with the program (using packages only) if packages not using CUPS > (that would run with unassisted lpr) were available, let's say as a > flavor. But until then ... -- George > Just for the record I did not say that people should use precompiled packages. In fact there is nothing bad in building your own packages with custom options. The bad practice is running "make install" on a live server or live machine, for various reasons. Building things can fill ram/disk/cpu, interfere with other software, other installed software can interfere with the build, etc. building should be done on a dedicated machine. By hand or using custom scripts or specific tools, this would avoid a lot of issues that are going to byte. But apart from these considerations anyone is obviously free to do whatever he wants with his machines. What I am trying to convey is that installing software via "make install" in port directories is becoming more and more problematic as time goes on due to pressures coming from outside the ports tree and FreeBSD world, on which we have very little power. -- Guido Falsi <madpilot@FreeBSD.org>
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