Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:25:41 -0400 From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> To: Rick Macklem <rmacklem@uoguelph.ca> Cc: Jerry McAllister <jerrymc@msu.edu>, Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>, Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk>, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Andy Young <ayoung@mosaicarchive.com> Subject: Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD? Message-ID: <CAOgwaMseWCRmsEE1QwyqsZTjU8p-=k1ftuJLktv3O9oZR_6TjA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1168656383.74335.1335567528359.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <092518C9B5214244805F7D2022A4F663@multiplay.co.uk> <1168656383.74335.1335567528359.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca>
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On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Rick Macklem <rmacklem@uoguelph.ca> wrote: > Steven Hartland wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mehmet Erol Sanliturk" > > > > > My opinion is that most important obstacle in front of FreeBSD is > > > its > > > installation structure : > > > > > > > > > It is NOT possible to install and use a FreeBSD distribution > > > directly as it > > > is . > > > > I disagree, we find quite the opposite; FreeBSD's current install is > > perfect > > its quick, doesn't install stuff we don't need and leaves a very nice > > base. > > > > Linux on the other had takes ages, asks way to many questions, has > > issues > > with some hardware with mouse and gui not work properly making the > > install difficult to navigate, but most import its quite hard to get a > > nice simple > > base as there are so many options, which is default with FreeBSD. > > > > In essence it depends on what you want and how you use the OS. For > > the way we use FreeBSD on our servers its perfect. So if your trying > > to suggest its not suitable for all that's is incorrect as it depends > > on what > > you want :) > > > I worked for the CS dept. at a university for 30years. What I observed > was that students were usually enthusiastic about trying a new os. However, > these days, they have almost no idea how to work in a command line > environment. > > If they installed FreeBSD, it would be zapped off their disk within minutes > of the install completing and they'd forget about it. > > They install and like distros like Ubuntu, which install and work the way > they expect (yes, they expect a GUI desktop, etc). > > When they get out in industry, they remember Linux, but won't remember > FreeBSD (at least not in a good way). > > Now, I am not suggesting that FreeBSD try and generate Ubuntu-like desktop > distros. However, it might be nice if the top level web page let people > know that the installs there are not desktop systems and point them to > PC-BSD (or whatever other desktop distro there might be?) for a desktop > install. > (I know, the original poster wasn't a PC-BSD fan, but others seem happy > with it. I'll admit I've never tried it, but then, I'm not a GUI desktop > guy.:-) > > Just my $0.00 worth, rick > > > Regards > > Steve > > Absolutely I do NOT have any idea against PC-BSD . My wish is that it should be much better than its current state . My suggestion is that it needs testing before its releases especially on bare metal with new and previously installed different operating system hard disks . Installation success on a VM ( Virtual Machine ) is very misleading because a VM is an artificial environment and it is supplying some services which they are not available in a bare metal machine . FreeBSD installation and boot style are very nice . Personally I dislike very much Ubuntu-like installs ( nothing is displayed about what is going on ) and I never use it ( in spite of I am installing each release of it ) . My ideas are about "parameters set by installation" for "desktop users" , not for computing experts . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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