Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:51:10 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: flowtable usable or not Message-ID: <4f532cfe.QgEyYT6tgG2JPvGA%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <1330793788.10695.60.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> References: <20120221143537.Horde.deyFDZjmRSRPQ52pxBIpnLA@webmail.leidinger.net> <BA7FFA2D-DEE6-4FB7-AE26-0BC79CBFD8C0@lists.zabbadoz.net> <4F4BA707.5070608@wasikowski.net> <4F4C3FE7.3040802@FreeBSD.org> <CACqU3MWx3pMMDncvOita-OAgfe=NPKtwKE2WeB_mdcYwozY81Q@mail.gmail.com> <4F4D51CB.2010508@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D5E5D.9040302@FreeBSD.org> <4F4DD288.5060106@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_O%2BCt6yhRL=B9oxgkL8EgLxZdo7-KFO2C8HqiN1=Kx_bw@mail.gmail.com> <4F4ED889.2070608@FreeBSD.org> <4F500BB9.4040307@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_OfeB7Kb=pgjGq0uffLJdJROGoCaGz=25Jito-kweAxRQ@mail.gmail.com> <4F5088CA.1090108@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_MZM6Gn_zPzxz5tLuzPOW=kK9YxqmrLTyitvGfAPhrkbw@mail.gmail.com> <4F510FBD.50008@FreeBSD.org> <4F513B2D.6010809@FreeBSD.org> <4F5148A7.4080408@FreeBSD.org> <4F51BDDA.3020602@hm.net.br> <4f525035.FeXsLHWGEs0tQIdS%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <1330793788.10695.60.camel@revolution.hippie.lan>
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Ian Lepore <freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org> wrote: > On Sat, 2012-03-03 at 09:09 -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > H <hm@hm.net.br> wrote: > > > ... Forever installing FreeBSD Desktop, either KDE or Gnome, > > > was a nightmare process, or better, to make it appear on screen > > > was a nightmare. > > > > I have never understood the point of KDE or Gnome, other than > > (perhaps) as eye candy for the uninitiated. If I wanted a > > Windows desktop, I would install Windows. If I wanted a Mac > > desktop, I would use a Mac. > > I've been getting paid to develop software since 1975 -- Same here (approximately). > Maybe you long for a return to punch cards and fanfold greenbar > paper, but I'm not going back there. I think we've both been around long enough to know that even an ADM-3 or a 3270 is a step up from "punch cards and fanfold greenbar paper". The second step up is screen(1), and AFAIK no one is advocating a "return" even to that level of functionality, much less to anything more primitive. The next improvement is huge, and costly: high-resolution display hardware, and the software (X11, xterm, basic window manager) to handle it. That provides the capability to use multiple windows -- to see several ptys at the same time instead of being able to see only one and having to remember what's on the rest. I think most of us would agree that, costly as this upgrade is, it is justified for most desktop systems. Once we have the high-resolution display capability, it becomes possible to add graphics-based productivity apps like a PDF viewer, web browser, word processor, calendar, drawing programs, etc. I _know_ it is possible to run all that with nothing more than X11 and the same basic window manager, because I do it on a daily basis. The question remains: what more does KDE or Gnome bloatware provide, other than eye candy? > It's exactly because I don't want a Windows or Mac desktop that > I use gnome. Last I saw, Gnome was a way to make an otherwise perfectly good X-windows desktop look like MacOS X. Again, what's the point? What does Gnome give you, that twm or fvwm2 would not?
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